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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: Public Schools |
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I did a search for public schools and most of the posts are kinda old.
What are they like now? Are they still like the post from 2004? -Jeff |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Probably, yep. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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This just goes to show how a monkey could have programmed the search function better.
Just look through the last two pages, you will find lots of stuff.
In short (as I can't type it all again for the 6th time), publics schools are much better than hagwons. On rare occasions, you end up with horrid public school working conditions. Sometimes, you end up with bad ones, but you still get paid and everything on time. More often than not, it's ok, or like mine, awesome.
Hagwons are more like the lottery. A good hagwon would be better than a good public school, but if you find one of those, you will be extremely lucky. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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check what I wrote = here |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
This just goes to show how a monkey could have programmed the search function better.
Just look through the last two pages, you will find lots of stuff.
In short (as I can't type it all again for the 6th time), publics schools are much better than hagwons. On rare occasions, you end up with horrid public school working conditions. Sometimes, you end up with bad ones, but you still get paid and everything on time. More often than not, it's ok, or like mine, awesome.
Hagwons are more like the lottery. A good hagwon would be better than a good public school, but if you find one of those, you will be extremely lucky. |
Please forgive me if I disagree with you a little bit.
I find this to be a little inaccurate, "A good hagwon would be better than a good public school".
I would word it more like, "A GREAT hagwon would be better than a mediocre public school but the chances of getting a great hagwon are about the same as winning the lottery."
Even a bad public school is better than your average hagwon and if you get a good school there is no comparison.
If you are one of the lucky ones in a great hakwon, then you better start buying lotto tickets - your turn is just around the corner.  |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
laogaiguk wrote: |
This just goes to show how a monkey could have programmed the search function better.
Just look through the last two pages, you will find lots of stuff.
In short (as I can't type it all again for the 6th time), publics schools are much better than hagwons. On rare occasions, you end up with horrid public school working conditions. Sometimes, you end up with bad ones, but you still get paid and everything on time. More often than not, it's ok, or like mine, awesome.
Hagwons are more like the lottery. A good hagwon would be better than a good public school, but if you find one of those, you will be extremely lucky. |
Please forgive me if I disagree with you a little bit.
I find this to be a little inaccurate, "A good hagwon would be better than a good public school".
I would word it more like, "A GREAT hagwon would be better than a mediocre public school but the chances of getting a great hagwon are about the same as winning the lottery."
Even a bad public school is better than your average hagwon and if you get a good school there is no comparison.
If you are one of the lucky ones in a great hakwon, then you better start buying lotto tickets - your turn is just around the corner.  |
Sure, a great hagwon then. And you are wrong about the lottery ticket. If you are in a great hagwon, you have used up all your luck for the next 3 lives  |
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Peter Jackson

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: Public |
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A lot will depend on the school. I'm in a great public school position but others I know don't have it as good. From what I've heard and experienced, I'd have to say that high school suits my taste. The elementary and middle school scene doesn't appeal.
I was lucky to hook up with a school that has no English classes before lunch and I don't have to be there when I'm not teaching. Most people I know have to be there from 830 to 430, regardless if they have classes or not. This would be one of the few negatives.
But concerning work load, benefits, etc public wins, hands down. Is there any hagwon job that offers 15 sick days, special leaves for marriage and death in the family, lots of vacation (depends on school) and very slow stress? No hagwon job I ever had or heard about.... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Even a bad public school is better than your average hagwon and if you get a good school there is no comparison. |
I'm going to disagree with that statement.
Last school year I worked in a bad public school (bad for a large number of reasons) and the slimey, lying SOB who ran the place was in no way less of a slimey lying SOB than the slimey, lying SOB who ran the average hakwon I worked at. [/quote] |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Even a bad public school is better than your average hagwon and if you get a good school there is no comparison |
Apparently you haven't met many GEPIK people. It is not the school that is the problem, per se. Rather, it is the organizations (SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK) that 99% of public school teachers will be employed by that are having trouble getting their sh*t together (and giving everyone headaches in the process).
Most of the hogwon teachers I've met lately are satisfied with their jobs. They're working fewer hours than public school teachers (120 vs. 160!!), and they're making more money. Most public school teachers will be required to be at work eight hours a day.
A few teachers on this board have it great at their public school jobs. Good for them. However, they're doing a disservice to all potential public school candidates by painting a rosy picture that will not be possible for 99% of them. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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mack the knife wrote: |
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Even a bad public school is better than your average hagwon and if you get a good school there is no comparison |
Apparently you haven't met many GEPIK people. It is not the school that is the problem, per se. Rather, it is the organizations (SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK) that 99% of public school teachers will be employed by that are having trouble getting their sh*t together (and giving everyone headaches in the process).
Most of the hogwon teachers I've met lately are satisfied with their jobs. They're working fewer hours than public school teachers (120 vs. 160!!), and they're making more money. Most public school teachers will be required to be at work eight hours a day.
A few teachers on this board have it great at their public school jobs. Good for them. However, they're doing a disservice to all potential public school candidates by painting a rosy picture that will not be possible for 99% of them. |
SOrry, Mack, I understand what you are always trying to say, and don't disagree with what you are trying to say but with the numbers you use. 99%?? There are bad public schools, and bad organizations. THere are significatly less bad ones than hagwons though. |
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krjames
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Location: Suncheon
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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CLG said in an old post things can change in any place, but I expect/assume(with all that suggests!) that Public Schools will be a little more static than a Hakwon.
I have been at my current Hakwon for 11 months. When I arrived 2 korean ladies were taking the classes, 1 of course got sacked once I arrived , and things were pretty good. Nice lady, nice kids, good system in place. Nice lady left at the end of January and a guy, relative of the 원장님 arrived. Seemed nice enough and things went on ok. In April the guy teaching Middle school students upstairs left (I have nothing to do with them sadly) and my colleague started teaching those classes. He seems to do a lot of work, mostly irrelevant to the elementary kids' texts but I presume related to the middle school students. At some stage he started carrying a stick around, often a 2 foot length of steel tube
Now we are into thenew semester he has started hitting the kids for not doing homework As the homework seems to be writing out list of words from god knows where, I can understand where the kids are coming from. But he comes in at the beginning of my classes to check and whack anyone he sees fit. Tonight he whacked all the kids in my better 6th grade class, which is a combination of 3 different pre-holiday classes. Some of them were lively anyway... so much for my last class.
So I was in a good place for about 8 months and it's all gone down hill since. Sad. Strikes me that this is more likely to happen in a Hakwon than a proper school.. We have gone through 4 teachers in my time here, maths, hanja and social studies. Can't help thinking they tried to catch me out with immigration too..
Ho hum, where's a public school for me?
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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mack the knife wrote: |
A few teachers on this board have it great at their public school jobs. Good for them. However, they're doing a disservice to all potential public school candidates by painting a rosy picture that will not be possible for 99% of them. |
Agreed. I would say the number is more around 65% though. I think around 65% of all native teachers working for GEPIK will not be able to get better than average working conditions. I think the reason why so many people don't realize that GEPIK isn't as good as it should be is because they simply don't know any better. SMOE and EPIK are much better from what I have gathered, and that's not from what I have learned from this forum but from talking to real life teachers.
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: SMOE EPIK GEPIK |
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SMOE, EPIK and GEPIK
What are these three programs and how are they different? -Jeff |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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