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[happeningthang]

After reading through the Sandubman link list of (mostly) American conservative bloggers - I'm suddenly curious. These guys seem to have so much invested in supporting Israel in the Jewish state's many conflicts.

I'm just curious - why is that the case?? I'm not really lookg for a socio-political explanation, but hoping to hear from the "Israeli, YES!" crew. Why do you support Israel? What does that have to do with being an American conservative?

[W.T.Carl]

Interesting question. Could it be because they have all that oil? Could it be because it is in our economic self interest to?

No. It is because Isreal is a DEMOCRACY made up of people who the rest of the world would have stood by and let the Nazi's render them into soap.

Is that clear enough?

[Ya-ta Boy]

Actually, conservatives have gone through a sea-change in their attitude towards Jewish people. The key to the change is the belief of the 'end of the worlders'. They figure the time is nigh and are trying to buddy up with the chosen people. I don't quite get it. They're going to be swept up in the rapture anyway and won't be around for the aftermath.

[bucheon bum]

[Yu_Bum_suk]

What I wonder is whether conservative Israelis realise that they're cozying up to people who expect:

- a middle-eastern apocalypse any time now
- a mass conversion of Jews to Christ
- the destruction of those who aren't with Christ, particularly in the ME

[Boodleheimer]

i read an interesting article in the NYTimes Magazine about Bush -- he's trying to set up the rapture, basically. better start rebuilding the temple so we can get to heaven!

[AbbeFaria]

I support Israel because I believe that they have the right to exist. I don't think they have carte blanche to do what they want when they want, but I give them more leeway then I otherwise would because they are surrounded on all sides by countries that are actively trying to destroy them. And these folks give no credence to the Geneva Convention. Israel has to change tactics as the enemy does. Letting your enemy dictate the terms of battle is like handing them a victory.

I realize that the creation of Israel gave the Palestinians the short end of the stick, but their situation now has more to do with being screwed by their own leaders than anything Israel has done to them.

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[sundubuman]

The real question is why tens of millions of Left-Wing ideologues, living in luxury on land more or less stolen from native-americans, first-nation peoples, aboriginals etc.. find Israel so UNIQUELY upsetting.....

but please, don't let us know why you are so upset by Israel's insistence on surviving the Arab/Islamic onslaught that goes back some 13 centuries (read the Koran)......

for we know the regurgitated crap quite well.....Congrats, you've learned to parrot the 60/70's coming-of-age profs at your uni....well done. And I'm sure you also hold Chumpsky and Michael Moore up as examplars of ""truth"".....


Well, advice to you....



Grow up and support Israel.

[On the other hand]

Yu Bum Suk wrote:

[Junior]

[AbbeFaria]

Oh, and I should also point out that I'm not a conservative. I am pro-choice, for legalizing most drugs, even though I don't do them, I don't go to church and I don't much care for Bush.

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[Summer Wine]

[sundubuman]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Well without a doubt the US ought not give 3 billion dollars a year to Israel and that if Israel is not being a friend to the US by asking for it / or accepting it.

Going on I think often the reason the US gives Israel diplomatic cover is cause the UN is far from an honest broker. Many would say that the UN subjects Israel to very severe criticism while it ignores the bad things that Israel's enemies do. Often the US is just voting it's conscious by votng against one sided- , disingenuous or spiteful UN resolutions. I dont' see that as diplomatic cover I see it as voting as the US sees fit based on the facts. Why is the UN biased against Israel? . There are several reasons for this such as Israel's enemies have oil , and because of third world nationalism, but I don't think those are the only reasons.

On another subject IMHO the main reason for Hizzbollah and Al Qaeda is cause mideast regimes and elites teach hate in order to distract their populations from the bad things that their governments and groups do.

Anyway : The US supportes South Korea against North Korea while spending around 10 Billion a year doing so. ( Time Magazine / Global Security)

The US supports Taiwan (at least to a certain extent ) against China.

The US supports Columbia against FARC.

I think in some ways the US support for Israel is similar to the above situations. And the other reason is that Israel's enemies are just not interested in peace with Israel.


I don't think the US ought to change or set policy just because those who would support Khomeni , Bin Laden , Saddam Hussein or Hizzbollah or Hamas would get mad. It is clear ( at least to me) what those groups are about and what they want/ demand isn't good. Furthermore I don't think the US would be able to satify Israel's enemies unless it boycotts Israel and sides with them.

Let me add that I think the the US also on occassion benefits from Israeli technology for instance intel centrino technology was developed in Israel.

[bucheon bum]