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When applying for a job listed here, whats the competition?

 
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Alias77



Joined: 28 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: When applying for a job listed here, whats the competition? Reply with quote

I've not heard anything from my recruiter for 2 weeks, sans two auto-mail messages. I think they gave up on me when I cited multiple sources with grievances against the last job offer (chain school) they sent me - I turned it down in a respectable business fashion, asking to be informed of other opportunities.

I'm now looking at the job listings here on Dave's to circulate my own resume. If there's a dozen + new job listings on here per day, I'd say that my recruiter has access to something and has left me hanging or forgotten me.

Could someone approximate what kind of competition I might be facing per each job listing here? Will I be competing with a dozen potential applicants, or do these listings get flooded with hundreds of applicants?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

use four or five recruiters

and never send anything to them until you've decided on a specific job
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jen_the_great



Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Location: Gangnam, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't answer your quesiton, but I can relate. I was offered a job at a chain school and I just turned it down. I talked to current teachers who had glowing reviews of the school, but after getting opinions on my contract by a member of this forum and a friend already in Korea, I was told to walk away. Why should we be putting ourselves in a situation that we're not comfortable with. I thought I turned down the position very tactfully, citing that it's not the right fit for me, some of my friends had advised me against it because of long hours with Kindergarden children, and it would look bad for both me and the recruiter to sign a contract and end up dropping out. She told me that Koreans had stronger work ethic than in North America and she didn't know if she could find me a position since I wasn't satisfied with a standard contract at a reputable school. She pretty much implied that I was lazy and that if I had such good friends checking over my contracts, maybe they could find me a job.

I don't want to worry about rocking the boat when I'm playing with a year of my life. Does anyone know a better recruiter I could try?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For university positions, you'll be competiting with roughly 100 other applicants. The upside is that most of the CVs are just thrown out as the applicants are unqualified or don't have enough experience.

For institute jobs, you probably won't be competing with too many people at all, unless it is a single school and it only hiring one person. There are so many institutes that you should be able to pick and choose.

Take your time. You'd be surprised how far a good looking CV will get you, or, in contrast, how fast you'll be passed over if your CV looks bad.
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Alias77



Joined: 28 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
use four or five recruiters

and never send anything to them until you've decided on a specific job


When you say "send them anything" - I assume you're referring to diploma and paperwork stuff, right?
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serenitee



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the recruiter gets frustrated with a person who simply has done their homework and knows what they want, then I say 'good riddance.'

As I've read many veterans say on here and have taken to heart as a newb- use the recruiter to get introduced to the school, then do your research and take it from there. Normally if I show interest, then I can get the recruiter to tell me the name of the school.

Then they all say that it is one of the best schools in South Korea with an outstanding reputation.... when ofcourse I will see it listed on every blacklist. Rolling Eyes

GOOD LUCK, by the way! I'm in the same boat and although I'm getting many offers, I have yet to accept... I'm really waiting for one that I feel really suits me. Heck it's a major decision to pick up and go live on another continent for a year. My friends and boyfriend think I'm crazy! So, I'm being very cautious and not rushing the process at all until I feel comfortable with a particular school.
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Alias77



Joined: 28 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

serenitee wrote:

GOOD LUCK, by the way! I'm in the same boat and although I'm getting many offers, I have yet to accept... I'm really waiting for one that I feel really suits me. Heck it's a major decision to pick up and go live on another continent for a year. My friends and boyfriend think I'm crazy! So, I'm being very cautious and not rushing the process at all until I feel comfortable with a particular school.


Thanks.

Exactly - Its not a simple thing to toss away my comfort zone and I want a semblance of satisfaction if I'm going to trade. I wanted to be on my way at the beginning of October (which remains to be seen if it will happen) and I've been thinking about all the things I'm going to miss already. I'll be fine as soon as I start meeting people there, though.
I'm hoping to last longer than a year.
Smile

Again though - could someone please clarify what VanIslander said about not "sending them anything". I think I understood, but I want to make sure.
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serenitee



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alias77 wrote:
serenitee wrote:

GOOD LUCK, by the way! I'm in the same boat and although I'm getting many offers, I have yet to accept... I'm really waiting for one that I feel really suits me. Heck it's a major decision to pick up and go live on another continent for a year. My friends and boyfriend think I'm crazy! So, I'm being very cautious and not rushing the process at all until I feel comfortable with a particular school.


Thanks.

Exactly - Its not a simple thing to toss away my comfort zone and I want a semblance of satisfaction if I'm going to trade. I wanted to be on my way at the beginning of October (which remains to be seen if it will happen) and I've been thinking about all the things I'm going to miss already. I'll be fine as soon as I start meeting people there, though.
I'm hoping to last longer than a year.
Smile

Again though - could someone please clarify what VanIslander said about not "sending them anything". I think I understood, but I want to make sure.


I'm hoping to be on my way in November to one of the smaller southern cities. I could even forward some offers to you, haha, if you are looking to start earlier. Some of them even want a teacher to begin later this month.

I'm certain VanIslander was talking about not sending your diploma or transcripts until you have really made a decision. Some people send their official documents before really thinking it through and then want to back out, but cannot get their original materials returned.
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Alias77



Joined: 28 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

serenitee wrote:

I'm hoping to be on my way in November to one of the smaller southern cities. I could even forward some offers to you, haha, if you are looking to start earlier. Some of them even want a teacher to begin later this month.


Thank you for the offer, but I'm fairly intent on moving into a city larger than 1 mil people. I had Seoul, Busan, and Daegu around the top of my list. I passed on my first job offer for that reason. If you have any positions in those cities for October, I might be interested. Wink
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serenitee



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had one tonight for Ulsan, but I don't think it begins until the end of October. If you're interested in that city, pm me your email and I will forward you the info.
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There used to be a hits counter for each of the job ads on Daves - wonder why they took it off? It seemed that a recruiter or regular hogwan would get about 30-50 hits minimal and that a university would get a few hundred hits minimal. From that, you have to imagine that not everyone will apply for the job after reading the ad. So go and take a guesstimate from there.

Let's face it. There seems to be more jobs than teachers available to take them up, so it's a surefire bet you can find something here right now. As for the 'good' jobs, the competition will depend on what you've got to back up your resume - an MA, 5+yrs teaching experience...? If you are completely fresh to teaching, you probably have to start out at the bottom like the majority of us here. It's not always a bad thing though, because any experience will stand you in good stead for the future should you decide to stay in teaching long term.

(My link below has a list of job sites available, although Dave's is probably the best for current listings)
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alias77 wrote:
serenitee wrote:

I'm hoping to be on my way in November to one of the smaller southern cities. I could even forward some offers to you, haha, if you are looking to start earlier. Some of them even want a teacher to begin later this month.


Thank you for the offer, but I'm fairly intent on moving into a city larger than 1 mil people. I had Seoul, Busan, and Daegu around the top of my list. I passed on my first job offer for that reason. If you have any positions in those cities for October, I might be interested. Wink


I hate to be the bearer of bad news.... 1 million people is NOT a large city here. It may be only a medium or probably even just a small city.

Large cities have more than 2 or 3 million in their metro area and metro Seoul is more than 10 million.

Remember, there are almost 50 million people packed into a space that is less than 400 km wide and 400 km long (less than 250 miles x 250 miles for our US readers). This country has 50 million people packed into about twice the size of metro Los Angeles.
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Alias77



Joined: 28 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Alias77 wrote:


Thank you for the offer, but I'm fairly intent on moving into a city larger than 1 mil people. I had Seoul, Busan, and Daegu around the top of my list.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news.... 1 million people is NOT a large city here. It may be only a medium or probably even just a small city.

Large cities have more than 2 or 3 million in their metro area and metro Seoul is more than 10 million.


Yes. I know. Its not bad news. "I had Seoul, Busan, and Daegu around the top of my list."
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HydePark



Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jen_the_great wrote:
She told me that Koreans had stronger work ethic than in North America and she didn't know if she could find me a position since I wasn't satisfied with a standard contract at a reputable school. ... Does anyone know a better recruiter I could try?


Interesting! I've worked at a high school where most of the Korean teachers have class for 9-15 hours per week, and they all tell me I work too hard since I teach for 22 hours per week. Definitely try another recruiter!
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