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Paying for a class you didn't attend?
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:55 am    Post subject: Paying for a class you didn't attend? Reply with quote

My employer has informed everyone that last week, Gyeonggi-do held some workshop for teachers to attend. Fee - 10,000.

Now they claim that everyone has to pay, whether they attended or not. If we refuse to pay, they say will simply deduct it from our salaries next month. Has your employer mentioned anything about this to you?
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Ev



Joined: 01 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, but I went to a 5-day Gyeonggi-do orientation thing in Suwon for new teachers last week, and my co-teacher told me if I leave this job I'm going to have to pay them back something like 270,000.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

penalty deductions are illegal.
If it's manditory...you're boss/school should pay.
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Col.Brandon



Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or just liberate 10,000 won worth of coffee and toilet paper from the school over the next few weeks.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell them is they take the money you will go straight to the labour board and let them deal with them.....stealing 10,000 won is low even for a hogwan!
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a bizarre scenario, even for Korea.

Was the training mandatory or optional? If the latter, is it people who signed up for the course and just didn't bother attending that are getting deducted, or everyone regardless?

How can they force you to pay for mandatory training that you didn't even attend? If anything, if its mandatory training, they should have to pay you!!
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should inform your boss that if he deducts measily 10,000 from your pay, you will teach 10,000 less in one of your class by dismissing the class early (10,000 worth).
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Chucky. Let the students play hangman by themselves and just check that the spelling is correct.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They claim the training was organized by the Anyang Educational Office or something. It obviously wasn't mandatory as they didn't even inform me of it until a week later. Apparently I was on some list kept by the city government.

The real kicker is that they claim paying the 10,000 won will entitle me to receive a "teacher's ID card". I'm really wondering if anyone else in Anyang heard about this thing?
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Grotto"]tell them is they take the money you will go straight to the labour board and let them deal with them.....stealing 10,000 won is low even for a hogwan![/quote]



You are a god damn joke. Stop giving advice such as this, in fact, stop giving advice at all. are you intentionally trying to sabotage people's teaching experience in korea or what. Going to the labour board over 10 000 won is the absolute stupidist thing you could do in this situation.

P.S, don't pm me with one of your usual whiny messages about the internet conspiracy against you.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Paying for a class you didn't attend? Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
My employer has informed everyone that last week, Gyeonggi-do held some workshop for teachers to attend. Fee - 10,000.

Now they claim that everyone has to pay, whether they attended or not. If we refuse to pay, they say will simply deduct it from our salaries next month. Has your employer mentioned anything about this to you?


Let them take the 10k. It's not worth picking a fight over.

Just remember to get an extra serving of meat the next time he takes you out for Kalbi. (beef Kalbi is usually 20k+ per 200g serving) You come out ahead in the long run.

If he cheaps out and it's only pork kalbi, then take 2 extra servings AND an extra bottle or two of soju.
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rawiri wrote:
Grotto wrote:
tell them is they take the money you will go straight to the labour board and let them deal with them.....stealing 10,000 won is low even for a hogwan!




You are a god damn joke. Stop giving advice such as this, in fact, stop giving advice at all. are you intentionally trying to sabotage people's teaching experience in korea or what. Going to the labour board over 10 000 won is the absolute stupidist thing you could do in this situation.

P.S, don't pm me with one of your usual whiny messages about the internet conspiracy against you.


Yeah, go rawiri!!!
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The longer I'm in the Korea, the more I start to see that not everything is worth picking a fight over. Better to have good relations with your boss and school than pick a stupid fight over 10 bucks.

I'd rather get along with my boss and not have any hassles with the 2500 dollar bonus at the end of the year than fight over the 10 now.

I'm not saying that certain things aren't worth picking a fight over, however this one seems like it's not.

If it really gets to you, do what someone else said and take an extra roll or two of toilet paper and call it even.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Better to have good relations with your boss and school than pick a stupid fight over 10 bucks.


Actually, I agree 100%. The problem with that is, I do not have good relations with my boss or manager. I used to go the extra mile for this school a lot, but I believe in reciprocity. I'd be quite happy to pay the 10,000 if my manager didn't treat me like dirt -- until she wants something, of course-- and my boss didn't cheat on my taxes. Not to mention that he is obviously planning to screw my girlfriend out of her severance bonus.

In any case I am still waiting to hear from other people in Anyang about this seminar. I know there are plenty of teachers in Anyang on this board, so please just PM me if you don't feel like posting in public.
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Hapkido-In



Joined: 24 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a similar experience, although I live in Bundang, not Anyang. It happened about 3 months ago. It seemed pretty shady at the time, but they printed out a little official looking form and posted it on the wall of the teacher's room. It was all in Korean, but the Korean teachers seemed to think it was on the level. The real kicker, though, was that we had to pay 10,000 won but we couldn't go because we had to work at the time the workshop was being held. It was really weak. I had a conversation that sort of went like this

Them: you'll have to pay 10,000 won for a workshop.
Me: what workshop?
Them: it's a workshop for teachers.
Me: I have to? That's...odd.
Them: that's correct, you have to.
Me: Well, if I'm paying for it, I would like to attend it.
Them: But it's in Korean, you can't understand.
Me: That's ok. I'm paying for it, I want to attend.
Them: But you are scheduled to work when the workshop is on, so you can't go.
Me: Koreantastic!

Anyways, your school isn't scamming you. The city is. Hope this makes you feel better Smile
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