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gachinio



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Location: Incheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: US citizen; overseas degree. Reply with quote

Hi folks ... long-time listener, first-time caller Smile

Arrived on the 17th ... came first, then began interviews. Accepted job, submitted paperwork, boss took papers to immigration. They gave him a hassle because I got my B.S. in Greece, at the American college there. It's been accredited in the States for a long time (in fact it was the first college outside the US to get US accreditation -- now there's a couple dozen overseas with accr.), but the immigration official put up a stink. Gave him a receipt & said he get back to us in 3-4 days.

How exactly does the law read, & how much leeway do individual offices have to interpret the law as they see fit?

Advice/insight/help is much appreciated! Thanks!
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: US citizen; overseas degree. Reply with quote

gachinio wrote:
Hi folks ... long-time listener, first-time caller Smile

Arrived on the 17th ... came first, then began interviews. Accepted job, submitted paperwork, boss took papers to immigration. They gave him a hassle because I got my B.S. in Greece, at the American college there. It's been accredited in the States for a long time (in fact it was the first college outside the US to get US accreditation -- now there's a couple dozen overseas with accr.), but the immigration official put up a stink. Gave him a receipt & said he get back to us in 3-4 days.

How exactly does the law read, & how much leeway do individual offices have to interpret the law as they see fit?

Advice/insight/help is much appreciated! Thanks!


Not sure about the "LAW" but the policy manual USED to be specific that you were required to have a passport and degree from one of the "approved native English speaking countries".

I can't find a copy of the manual (or the old policy statements) in English on-line anymore. I will try to dig up a copy from my archived stuff and post it.
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supernick



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, to obtain an E-2 who must have a degree from an English speaking country. They also gave me a hassle because mine is from Scotland, and they weren't too sure if Scotland was an English speaking country. It might not also sound like English but it is. Very Happy

I think you might have to prove that your course of instruction was in English, and that might be fine. Who knows. You might not have any trouble at all.
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gachinio



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Location: Incheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: VISA DENIED. Reply with quote

Just heard over the phone that my E-2 was denied. Going in at 4:00 to discuss the situation w/ the General Manager of the hiring school. Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions greatly appreciated -- Thanks.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While it might be possible, it would be an uphill battle with immigration. I also hate to say, I can't see any employer going through the trouble, as it would be a lot easier to find someone else Sad I think you might have to sort this out yourself with immigration, get it approved, then try again with an employer.

I hope I am wrong, good luck.
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gachinio



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Location: Incheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Leaving by 17th Reply with quote

I arrived on Aug. 17th on a 30-day tourist visa also ... so I'll need to get something lined up by then, so I don't end up having to fly in/out a second time ...
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: Leaving by 17th Reply with quote

gachinio wrote:
I arrived on Aug. 17th on a 30-day tourist visa also ... so I'll need to get something lined up by then, so I don't end up having to fly in/out a second time ...


You can go to immi and extend your tourist visa to 90 days. Costs like W30,000 or so.
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gachinio



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Location: Incheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: UPDATE Reply with quote

UPDATE: Spoke with the GM of the school ...

He says immigration in Incheon spoke with Immig. in Seoul, & they said no too. According to them, the wording of the law says the college ITSELF must be in the English speaking country, which to me seems ridiculous. Someone I met here is going to try to verify the actual wording fior me, but the school is disinterested in pursuing it further.

Now I have to determine if it's worth pursuing on my own based on prob. of eventually being successful, how long that might take, & also on what my prospects might be in another country here in Asia, which is something I hadn't previously considered.

Further input greatly appreciated ...
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gachinio



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Location: Incheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:11 am    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice on the extension ... that's good to know. Awesome avatar btw Smile
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gachinio



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Location: Incheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Other options Reply with quote

Since I'm not very optomistic about my chances of resolving the problem within a reasonable timeframe or at reasonble expense, let alone both simultaneously, i'm actively considering/researching other options. Taiwan seems best right now ... Sad
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never met anyone here without both a degree and a passport from one of the Magic 7 Countries TM.
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indigo



Joined: 03 May 2006
Location: Yeoju

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe what's happening to you! That law seems absolutely ridiculous! I taught in Taiwan for four months. Taiwan is awesome. I really enjoyed the atmosphere there. The school on the other hand... I had a very negative experience with it. PM me and I can give you the name of the school and more specifics. I'm sure there are schools there that are good, ours (my boyfriend and I both taught there) was a huge chain bushiban (equivalent to a hogwan), and really impersonal - employee turn over was high. We were in Taipei. The hours really sucked. We had to teach six days a week, and had absolutely no control over our schedules. (They also required a lot of busy work out of us, you know, so we would appear "dedicated.") We didn't know that before we arrived. (We were going through a recruiter and told him what our standards were - we ignorantly assumed they were going to be met...) I don't know if you've taught english internationally before - make sure you ask a lot of questions before accepting a job position. Things I thought were a given... well, they certainly weren't!
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dbee



Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, that's in the books.

The teacher must have a degree from an English speaking university in an English speaking country ...

Unlucky dude. But if you'd checked up, any recruiter could have told you this beforehand and saved you the hassle and expense...

All the best though, in Taiwan
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember at one of the schools I worked for, there was an American who had a degree from Israel who wanted to work in Korea- denied.

Not only is the person's passport supposed to be from a native English speaking country, but so is the degree, unfortunately.

The only other thing I can think of is to go to the US embassy and try to make an affidavit and get it notarized stating that the degree is indeed from an American university or you can try to send it off to Washington and get it apostlized by an accrediting agency or by the department of education itself.

These are just suggestions that MIGHT work, I can't guarantee they will.
Good luck
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about if your BA is from an English-speaking country but your MA is not? Could that create a problem?
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