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[daskalos]

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-harris18sep18,0,1897169.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

This piece states brilliantly everything I believe as a liberal about the direction of most liberal thought concerning the threat Islam poses to the West. The main point I wish my fellow liberals could take from it is that if the left defaults on its responsility to wake the hell up, the struggle will be waged by idiots and right wing nut jobs who will make of it as big a mess as they've made of Iraq.

[yawarakaijin]

I would agree that the liberals are guilty of not offering up a solution to the problems America is facing and have for far too long simply resorted to demonizing Bush.

The struggle against RADICAL Islam needs to be addressed. Calling it a war is perhaps too harsh of a term. I simply don't understand how one hopes to bomb the religion out of anyone.

The struggle needs to be waged more effectively. Terrorists need to be defeated at the law enforcement level and areas where the operate freely should be denied them.

These grievences simply did'nt appear out of thin air and by no means should America be held responsible for all the things wrong with the middle east. There are some legitimate complaints against the west however and not a single sitting politician is able to stand up and take responsibilty for ANY of it.

I've learned in life that when people are wronged or perceive that they have been wronged mostly what they want is to just be given the chance to have their grievences aired and reparations made. My feeling is that the muslim world has been denied this under the current UN structure and the jihadist have adeptly used this anger to further their own political agendas.

Im not saying we bend over and take it from the muslim world but we need to start treating them like human beings if we in return want to be treated as such.

The IRA terrorized the UK for years killing hundreds and hundreds of people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA#Casualties
What would the reaction of the western world be if England stormed on in and created/help create a situation in which THOUSANDS or HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people were killed all in the name of making the UK safer?

Honest to god tell me. Imagine you did'nt have a religious bone in your body. Would would you do?

There is a racism/ethnocentrism here that is disgusting and in my opinion the very core of the problem. When people want to discuss tactics and techniques on "winning the war or terror" I'm all for it. When people make posts simply to highlight the "barbarity" of a particular race/people/religion it strikes an awfully sickening nerve.

[On the other hand]

So, in an op-ed specifically about liberalism's attitude toward Islam and terrorism, the writer can't be bothered to give us the name of one liberal who actually espouses these attitudes? I mean, surely with all these liberals running around spouting the head-in-the-sand, "soft-on-terrorism" position, the media should be just chock full of examples to illustrate the author's point. But he can't even give us one.

Rather shoddy piece of writing, overall. Warmed-over Christopher Hitchens, minus the debating skills and entertainment value. It strikes me as having been written for an audience that already agrees with the writers' viewpoint, and so is not going to be have very exacting standards of proof.

[Ya-ta Boy]