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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Conservatives ask FBI to investigate hotel porn Reply with quote

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Tuesday, August 22, 2006; Posted: 2:09 p.m. EDT (18:09 GMT)


NEW YORK (AP) -- Pornographic movies now seem nearly as pervasive in America's hotel rooms as tiny shampoo bottles, and the lodging industry shows little concern as conservative activists rev up a protest campaign aimed at triggering a federal crackdown.

A coalition of 13 conservative groups -- including the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America -- took out full-page ads in some editions of USA Today earlier this month urging the Justice Department and FBI to investigate whether some of the pay-per-view movies widely available in hotels violate federal and state obscenity laws.

The coalition also is trying to draw attention to CleanHotels.com, a directory of hotels and motels nationwide that pledge to exclude adult offerings from their in-room entertainment service.

Though porn is now cheaply and readily accessible on the Internet, and through many other outlets, the activists chose to target the hotel industry in part because of the well-known brands of corporations that cater to family vacationers as well as business travelers.

"These are places that you take your family -- these are respectable institutions," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. "Anything that brings porn into the mainstream is a concern. It just desensitizes people."

Precise statistics on in-room adult entertainment are hard to come by. By some estimates, adult movies are available in roughly 40 percent of the nation's hotels, representing more than 1.5 million rooms. Industry analysts suggest that these adult offerings generate 60 to 80 percent of total in-room entertainment revenue -- several hundred million dollars a year.

The recent newspaper ad mentioned no hotel companies by name because of legal concerns, but it did target the two major suppliers of in-room adult movies -- South Dakota-based LodgeNet and Denver-based OnCommand, a subsidiary of Liberty Media Corp. The ad accused both companies of distributing hardcore pornography to their hotel clients, and it provided a link to a list of X-rated movie titles.

Spokesmen for OnCommand and Liberty Media declined to comment on the ad, and LodgeNet's spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment. However, top spokespeople for two of the biggest hotel chains, Hilton and Marriott, defended the policies that make adult movies widely available at their affiliated hotels.

Both Kathy Shepard of Hilton and Roger Conner of Marriott said the bulk of their hotels are operated by franchise-holders who make their own decisions about in-room programming. They made clear, however, that their companies consider adult movies to be an acceptable option because they can be ignored or blocked out by guests not wishing to view them.

"Really ultraconservative groups try to target the hotels in their zest to eliminate porn," Shepard said. "In their zest to have their personal morals prevail, they're eliminating choice for others."

Conner said none of the programming offered by Marriott is illegal, and he depicted adult movies as a standard part of today's hotel business.

"In-room movies are a revenue stream," he said. "This is a business matter."

The leader of the campaign against in-room porn is Phil Burress, a self-described former porn addict who heads the Cincinnati-based Citizens for Community Values.

Burress and his allies have had some success regionally, pressuring about 15 Ohio and Kentucky hotels to stop offering adult movies. But he says a nationwide pressure campaign would be difficult because nearly all the big hotel chains have similar policies -- porn is available at some but not all of their affiliates.

Though unable to cite specific cases, Burress contended that the availability of in-room porn is making hotels more dangerous.

"As more and more of these (hardcore) titles become available, we're going to have sexual abuse cases coming out of the hotels," he said. "Hotels are just as dangerous as environments around strip joints and porn stores."

Burress said he was "cautiously optimistic" that Justice Department officials -- whom he and other anti-porn leaders confer with periodically -- would seriously consider investigating hotel-based pornography.

Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said federal authorities are committed to toughening enforcement of obscenity laws, but he declined to comment on specific targets for investigations.

LodgeNet and OnCommand together provide in-room entertainment to more than 1.8 million hotel room in North America -- with customers that include Sheraton, Hilton, Holiday Inn, Ritz-Carlton, Hyatt, Marriott and Ramada.

The standard in-room packages offered by LodgeNet and OnCommand include adult movies, but they have tried to accommodate hotels preferring a no-porn alternative, according to Shannon Sedgwick Davis, executive director of an association of hotels which don't offer adult movies to guests.

One problem, she said, is that the big hotel chains often have negotiated bulk contracts with the video suppliers that include the adult movies and can be expensive to cancel.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


Seriously, STFU! These people should go out and actually spend their money and time actually helping people who need it. The bolded part is the really funny part Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of Conservatives...anyone familiar with the "Focus On The Family" organization?

Just as sanctimonious, hateful, and intolerant as the rest of those movements. They're big in Colorado and their pet project these days is trying to convince everyone being gay is an abomination Rolling Eyes

I saw a great bumper sticker a few days ago:

"FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY!!!"

Oui! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every bit of research I've read about porn points to the conclusion that it makes people safer.

Once I was working security at an airport hotel. There was a drunk dude who was causing a bit of trouble. We sent him to his room and helped him turn on some pay-per-view porn. We didn't hear from him again that night.

I call it a monogamy-aid.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives ask FBI to investigate hotel porn Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:

Seriously, STFU! These people should go out and actually spend their money and time actually helping people who need it.

*beep* ing Amen and Hallelujah! I know you posted the original article as a humorous jibe, but I'm so *beep* ing mad after reading it, I can't see straight. What I want to know is when is the Religious Right going to get it: sex is not the source of the world's problems, violence and greed are the source. But I guess that would mean that they would actually have to love their neighbour (more than their money), as Jesus commanded! Modern Christianity is a complete abortion of its founding principles (love and selflessness).

Here's an article that summarizes the argument better than I ever could. It's called A Turkish Effendi on Christendom and Islam. It's a little dated, being originally published in the 1880s, and the pro-islam rhetoric is too much for me; and yet it's critique is insightful and strangely prescient. I'll just quote two paragraphs from the longer article:
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There is no teaching so thoroughly altruistic in its character, and which, if it could be literally applied, would, I believe, exercise so direct and beneficial an influence on the human race, as the teaching of Christ; but there is none, ...the spirit of whose revelation has been more perverted and degraded by His followers of all denominations.

The Buddhist, the Hindu, and the Mohammedan, though they have all more or less lost the influence of the afflatus which pervades their sacred writings, have not actually constructed a theology based upon the inversion of the original principles of their religion. Their light has died away till but a faint flicker remains; but Christians have developed their social and political morality out of the very blackness of the shadow thrown by 'The light of the World.'

It's a long article, but it's worth reading in its entirety (even if one only claims to be a humanist).

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Canuckistan wrote:
I saw a great bumper sticker a few days ago:
"FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY!!!"

Ya, back in the day, I used to have a button that said, "The Moral Majority is neither!" Damn, I wish that I could find it now.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do believe the Bush agenda before 9-11 was to continue the Edwin Meese crack down on porn. That's why Bush's Attorney General used to have the curtains drawn on the topless lady justice statue. Hard to argue nudity = porn and never art when you're standing in front of a nude work of art.

If you recall, Meese got 7-11 to pull Playboy and Penthouse off the shelves after he wrote them a letter basically giving them a heads up. It went a bit like "we're doing a report on child porn... we believe Playboy and Penthouse are gateways to child porn... so if 7-11 doesn't want to be associated with pushing child porn... stop now."

7-11 dutifully complied in an America very much in love with The Gipper.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember years and years ago staying at yogwons in Korea that would pump prawnographic movies into the rooms for free. No selection, of course, anyone interested would have to watch whatever they happened to be showing. Prawn films were completely illegal in the country, though yogwons would often have them. Once I was on a commuter bus for Korean government employees, and the driver had a hard-core prawn movie playing on the bus TV. I was surprised, but the Koreans packed onto that bus, the young women civil servants included, were all very ho-hum about it. Nobody commented, and some of them watched it with a look of boredom. Maybe it was a rerun of one they'd already seen on a previous long commute home. ("Oh, not The Truckdriver & the Hitchhiker again! Rolling Eyes")

And I was surprised once again to find prawn suddenly available all over hotels in the West. Why the uproar now? Why didn't religious or other groups opposed to it put their foot down long ago, when it first started?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Why didn't religious or other groups opposed to it put their foot down long ago, when it first started?

The reaction of fundamentalist groups has nothing to do with morality, and everything to do with their perceived loss of power and control.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delirium's Brother wrote:
JongnoGuru wrote:
Why didn't religious or other groups opposed to it put their foot down long ago, when it first started?

The reaction of fundamentalist groups has nothing to do with morality, and everything to do with their perceived loss of power and control.


Sex and pornography predate fundamentalist groups, even here.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:


And I was surprised once again to find prawn suddenly available all over hotels in the West. Why the uproar now? Why didn't religious or other groups opposed to it put their foot down long ago, when it first started?


That's what a lot of FBI agents have been asking themselves when the Bush admin circulated emails asking for agents to be part of a porn taskforce. To the FBI's credit most agents were like "shouldn't we be using our resources smoking out terrorism and not going after Ron Jeremy?"

But the fundies paid the bill for the Bush II act so now they're trying to collect.

Lots of the FBI agents are like "but we consume this stuff, how can we go after it?" If you think about it, porn is a lot more pervasive today than it was in the Reagan 80s. It's become almost a staple part of the North American consumer basket of goods, enjoyed by men and women in almost equal measure.

I would gather they're going after hotel porn because it's low hanging fruit and the people who pump it out are major corporations in America and there's ostensibly a large profit made in hotel porn. They're out to scare away the big corporations that want to make money out of it. The ones who could mount a court fight when it comes time to pass laws. I dunno know tho, if you're going after a Time Warner profit center, and you depend on the media to keep your lil war in Iraq from totally tanking, you might not want to bite the hand that feeds you. Then again, they can't ignore the voters who will vote them out during mid-terms.

The republicans made this bed now they get to lie in it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Every bit of research I've read about porn points to the conclusion that it makes people safer.


Right!

http://www.xxxchurch.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Every bit of research I've read about porn points to the conclusion that it makes people safer.


Right!

http://www.xxxchurch.com/


Where's the research?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I thought he wanted some help. Wink There's no research on it? I thought there would be.

Here, how about this?

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=46523&highlight=

The Documented Effects of Pornography

11/90

In the September issue of The Forerunner (Vol. X, No. VI ), we examined the relationship between pornography and violent crime in an article entitled "Mass Murder and Pornography - Are They Related?"

Since the publication of the September issue, we have received a number of responses challenging the claim that pornography and violent crime are related. These responses implored us to use real, honest and acceptable facts in defending this position. As a follow up to the many questions generated by this article, we have decided to give a more complete overview of the research that has been done in this area.

The Effects of Pornography

Defenders of pornography argue that it is not harmful, and thus should not be regulated or banned. Citing the 1970 Presidential Commission on Obscenity and Pornography, they conclude that there is no relationship between exposure to erotic material and subsequent behavior. But two subsequent decades of research based on the increased production of more explicit and violent forms of pornography has shown the profound effects pornography can have on human behavior.

Psychologist Edward Donnerstein (University of Wisconsin) found that brief exposure to violent forms of pornography can lead to anti-social attitudes and behavior. Male viewers tend to be more aggressive towards women, less responsive to pain and suffering of rape victims, and more willing to accept various myths about rape.1

Dr. Dolf Zimmerman and Dr. Jennings Bryant showed that continued exposure to pornography had serious adverse effects on beliefs about sexuality in general and on attitudes toward women in particular. They also found that pornography desensitizes people to rape as a criminal offense.2

These researchers also found that massive exposure to pornography encourages a desire for increasingly deviant materials which involve violence, like sadomasochism and rape.3

Feminist author Diana Russell notes in her book Rape and Marriage the correlation between deviant behavior (including abuse) and pornography. She also found that pornography leads men and women to experience conflict, suffering, and sexual dissatisfaction.4

Researcher Victor Cline (University of Utah) has documented in his research how men become addicted to pornographic materials, begin to desire more explicit or deviant material, and end up acting out what they have seen.5

According to Charles Keating of Citizens for Decency Through Law, research reveals that 77 percent of child molesters of boys and 87 percent of child molesters of girls admitted imitating the sexual behavior they had seen modeled in pornography.

Sociologists Murray Straus and Larry Baron (University of New Hampshire) found that rape rates are highest in states which have high sales of sex magazines and lax enforcement of pornography laws.6

Michigan state police detective Darrell Pope found that of the 38,000 sexual assault cases in Michigan (1956-1979), in 41 percent of the cases pornographic material was viewed just prior to or during the crime. This agrees with research done by psychotherapist David Scott who found that "half the rapists studied used pornography to arouse themselves immediately prior to seeking out a victim."

The Final Report of the 1986 Attorney General's Commission on Pornography lists a full chapter of testimony (197-223) from victims whose assailants had previously viewed pornographic materials. The adverse effects range from physical harm (rape, torture, murder, sexually transmitted disease) to psychological harm (suicidal thoughts, fear, shame, nightmares).

The Facts on Pornography

A day-care director, now serving three years for three counts of first-degree sexual assault, confessed the he had "started picking up pornographic materials occasionally, going to bookstores ... no one knew, not even my wife ... now I do recognize fully the shocking facts about pornography and how it will draw you into its clutches away from God into sinful fantasies ..."

Multiplied incidents like the above graphically illustrate how the $8 billion-per-year porn industry has carved inroads into American life:

* Nearly 900 theaters show X-rated films and more than 15,000 "adult" bookstores and video stores offer pornographic material, outnumbering McDonald's restaurants in the U.S. by a margin of at least three to one.

* Each year, nearly 100 full-length pornographic films provide estimated annual box office sales of $50 million.

* Approximately 70% of the pornographic magazines sold eventually end up in the hands of minors.

* About 1.2 million children are annually exploited through child pornography and prostitution.7

God's Purpose in Sex

The tragedy of sex apart from God's ideal standard was no more forcefully presented than by this young lady who testified in Chicago before the 1986 Commission on Pornography:

"I am a former Playboy Bunny ... I never questioned the morality of becoming a Playboy Bunny because the magazine was accepted at home. [During my time with Playboy] I experienced everything from date-rape to physical abuse to group sex and finally to fantasizing homosexuality as I read Playboy magazine.

"I was extremely suicidal and sought psychiatric help for the eight years I lived in a sexually promiscuous fashion. There was no help for me until I changed my lifestyle to be a follower of Jesus Christ and obeyed the biblical truths including no premarital sex."

The agony of this young lady - and others like her - could have been avoided through an understanding of and obedience to God's purposes in sex.

Pornography attacks the dignity of men and women created in the image of God.8 It also distorts God's gift of sex which should be shared only within the bounds of marriage.9 And it frequently promotes sexual perversion (rape, incest, sodomy, bondage, torture, pedophilia) which is condemned by God.

From a biblical perspective, sexual intercourse is exclusively reserved for marriage for the following purposes:

* First, it establishes the "one-flesh" union.10

* Second, it provides for sexual intimacy within the marriage bond. The use of the word "know" indicates a profound meaning of sexual intercourse.11

* Third, sexual intercourse is for the mutual pleasure of husband and wife.12

* Fourth, sexual intercourse is for procreation.13

The Bible also warns against the misuse of sex. Premarital and extramarital sex is condemned.14 Even thoughts of sexual immorality (often fed by pornographic material) are condemned.15 Various forms of sexual perversion are also condemned in the Bible.16

Contrary to popular opinion, the Christian lifestyle of purity and abstaining from premarital and extramarital sex is not repressive or legalistic. People who have adopted this standard of purity can testify to the liberating power that it has had in their lives. Sexual purity not only is a defense against sexually transmitted diseases such as AIDS, but it also can help to bring about stable and happy marriage and family relationships.

In hoping to live our lives according to biblical standards and obtain the happy benefits of this lifestyle, we must do two things. First, we must keep pure by fleeing immorality and thinking on those things which are pure.17 Second, we must work to remove this sexual perversion of pornography from society.

If you have any questions or comments about this subject, please contact us at The Forerunner, P.O. Box 4103, Gainesville, FL 32613

1 Pornography and Violence Against Women, 1980.
2 "Pornography, Sexual Callousness, and the Trivialization of Rape," Journal of Communication, 1982.
3 "The Effect of Erotica Featuring Sadomasochism and Bestiality of Motivated Inter-Male Aggressions," Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 1981. 4 Rape and Marriage, 1982.
5 "Where Do You Draw the Line?" 1974.
6 "Legitimate Violence and Rape: A Test of the Cultural Spillover Theory," 1985.
7 Henry Boatwright, Chairman of the U.S. Advisory Board of Social Concerns. 8 Genesis 1:27. 9 1 Corinthians 7:2-3.
10 Genesis 2:24-25; Matthew 19:4-6. 11 Genesis 4:1.
12 Proverbs 5:18-19. 13 Genesis 1:28.
14 1 Corinthians 6:13-18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3.
15 Matthew 5:27-28. 16 Leviticus 18:6,23; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
17 1 Corinthians 6:18; Philippians 4:8.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
Oh, I thought he wanted some help. Wink There's no research on it? I thought there would be.

Here, how about this?

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=46523&highlight=

The Documented Effects of Pornography


...


Feminist author Diana Russell notes in her book Rape and Marriage the correlation between deviant behavior (including abuse) and pornography.

...




Correlation is not causality. I'm not about to look all off these studies up, but I doubt any of them use the hard core (pun intended) statistical methodology that could control selection biases. In other words, show me evidence that porn causes deviant behavior and not that deviants use porn. Case and point: the Middle East. Not much porn, but plenty of deviant behavior (wrt treatment of women).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are lots of forms of free speech that can (probably) cause harm if employed by stupid people. Lots of people might read the Turner Diaries and get some ideas. No? Do we ban bad revenge fantasy literature boarding on racism? Freedom and prefect safety are not synonymous, last time I checked. The key is there are great laws that punish crimes caused by porn users. No? The other key is a rational human being shouldn't read porn and then go out and rape women. The state gives parents absolute control for 18 years over a human being. If the parents of America can't raise rational human beings, no law against porn is going to make a hill of difference.

They don't have porn in the middle east. Women don't get raped and abused with regularity there?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From 5 Eagles link:

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"I am a former Playboy Bunny ... I never questioned the morality of becoming a Playboy Bunny because the magazine was accepted at home. [During my time with Playboy] I experienced everything from date-rape to physical abuse to group sex and finally to fantasizing homosexuality as I read Playboy magazine.


Notice how the writer lists being raped as just one of the indignities foisted upon her while she worked for Playboy, on the same par as having a lesbian fantasy.

Sort of reminds me of that F*cking USA song, where the No Gun Ri massacre gets mentioned in the same list of indictments as Ono's undeserved medal.
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