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kunio



Joined: 25 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:34 pm    Post subject: If you need some kind of help related to Korean language... Reply with quote

I am a Korean citizen who's born in Korea but lived abroad quite a while, coming back to Korea on 25th of this month after 8 years. I was offered a position as an ESL teacher in Seoul but the salary wasn't as good as I thought it would be, less than half of what I received in London so I'm giving some thought to it. I'm planning to go to California next year so my stay in Korea isn't very long but while I'm here, I'd like to catch up with some travellers exchanging tales and help out those who need my ability to speak Korean and gain relative information, be it cultural or law or whatever. When I left Korea the first time without speaking English, I met many kind souls who put up with me and helped me out on the way. Now it's my time to repay the good. Ask me any questions you may have. I may not be able to answer all of them but will give my best.

I hate Korea and despise the people. Do you have a say?

I was disappointed to find this board has a lot of negative people who wouldn't stop moping about how nasty Koreans are and how evil Korean society is and how much of loser they are. This didn't surprise me thou just reminding me of when I was in London, which is my second home. I was working with spanish and italian girl who were constantly nagging about how much the English weather and the English men sucked and how much they miss their country all day. After three days of hearing this, I had to tell them to shut their trap and go back to their bloody country and spare me. I simply can't understand when people complain about things but do not make an effort to change it. I'm not saying anyone should like it here but if you don't like it here, leave. Simple. If you only like the money you're getting here, like majority of Europeans living in London, be grateful at least there is a poor soul who pays a bonehead like you. I have no problem with spanish and of course I know majority of ESL teachers are aware, wise and conscious. I also find some young teens who work hard to make some travelling money or a school fee. Good on you, mate. You will go far in the life. My previous comment was directed to a few specific IDs but will not mention them since this is just an internet forum. No need to sweat over it.

Isn't it difficult to live as a woman in Korea?

You're kidding, right? Ask any asians, to compare with other countries in Asia, we rarely have any problem. I didn't feel much different in London and I feel Aussies look down on women more. I have a memory of my dad doing a laundry, ironing my school uniform and making a lunch box for me as much as my mom did. And if you cheat on your wife, you will go to a jail etc. This is too much... I reckon. I have no memory of being discriminated whatsoever in Korea while something like that happened in Israel once. I don't know this South African guy insulted me because I was the only Asian in the town or because I was a woman maybe both. I beat the living shxt out of him although I didn't understand what exactly he said (we know when we're laughed at) and got kicked out from the kibutz the next day. So I don't particularly remember the incident as a hate crime, just another fight I got into.

I heard Korean people will never help a stranger and I'm scared!!

HAHAHA. Do they have a duty to save your ass? And I probably was in your countries (States Britain Australia South Africa etc etc) and your people weren't exactly better. It was only me who helped out this gay guy when he was attacked in London on broad daylight while other people were just staring at us. In fact they reported me because I was again beating the xxx out of this attacker. But the police understood and I got off clean. When this pretty swedish female backpacker was being harassed by a group of junkies, again only me who bothered to interrupt. There are many more & I'm not claiming a Nobel peace prize here or I think of myself as some kind of hero. I'm lucky not to have any record. But the thought of complaining about those who didn't help but watch us didn't even come across my mind. They were obviously being weak. And I don't judge helpless people, I feel sorry for them. Neither did I think all the English people were the same as those about thirty people who were there and did nothing. I simply told victims that they need to learn any kind of skill to protect themselves or at least hold the weapon onto next time as they may not be lucky every time and they agreed. I certainly didn't post in the Korean community to discuss how cruel English people were.

Although my answer above seems to be not so pretty, I promise you will get the neat answer as long as your question is genuine.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, I have a question: Why did you title this thread the way you did?

It's rather misleading. Oh btw 영어 잘 하네요! ^^
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kunio



Joined: 25 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your Korean is good, too. Why is it misleading? I wanted to help mainly with Korean languages really but thought to comment on some negative posts, also. Guess one could think that I needed a help thou. Hmm...
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noguri



Joined: 28 Nov 2005
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: If you need some kind of help related to Korean language Reply with quote

kunio wrote:
discriminated whatsoever in Korea while something like that happened in Israel once. I don't know this South African guy insulted me because I was the only Asian in the town or because I was a woman maybe both. I beat the living shxt out of him although I didn't understand what exactly he said (we know when we're laughed at) and got kicked out from the kibutz the next day.


I think you're cool! You can come and live on my Kibutz any day of the week! Couldn't we start a kubutz in S. Korea?

Seriously, though, I like that. I will try to do for my kid what your dad did for you--I'll iron her uniform, make her lunch, etc--and I hope she'll turn out as plucky as you are.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome, another Korean Korean... Smile

That poor treatment of women thing some people here frequently b!tch about is what I can't personally relate to at all. You go talk about it to some young people on the street. All you can get might be Shocked Rolling Eyes Question or even Evil or Very Mad (In other words, WTH are you talking about?)

I know a good place for you if you want to help out serious Korean learners.

http://forums.galbijim.com
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kunio



Joined: 25 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: If you need some kind of help related to Korean language Reply with quote

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I think you're cool! You can come and live on my Kibutz any day of the week! Couldn't we start a kubutz in S. Korea?

Seriously, though, I like that. I will try to do for my kid what your dad did for you--I'll iron her uniform, make her lunch, etc--and I hope she'll turn out as plucky as you are.


I'm not sure whether this is a compliment or sarcasm but I'll take it as a compliment as I usually do. My aussi boss, "You are always late! The only reason you still have the job is because you still finish the project earlier than others which I don't understand how!!!" Me, "Wow thank you. You're doing a great job, too" My English boss, "Why don't you ever listen?" Me, "Excuse me, can you repeat that pls?" O well.

But it seems there aren't as many people who need Korean language guidance as I'd have thought probably because most of people already have a lot of Korean friends. But if you are a newbie and need a help, don't hesitate.
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kunio



Joined: 25 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggyji wrote:
I know a good place for you if you want to help out serious Korean learners.

http://forums.galbijim.com
Ho... maybe that's the place I should be in. And I like the way site looks. Thanks for the info. The web master of the galbijim obviously didn't handle the google thing well like Dave's team did. It didn't come out in the search site.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kunio wrote:
doggyji wrote:
I know a good place for you if you want to help out serious Korean learners.

http://forums.galbijim.com
Ho... maybe that's the place I should be in. And I like the way site looks. Thanks for the info. The web master of the galbijim obviously didn't handle the google thing well like Dave's team did. It didn't come out in the search site.


Don't dissapear so soon! You're welcome on here. I do spout off about Korea a lot but I certainly welcome the input of Koreans on here who have had experience living in both cultures. We need folks like you to iron out the misunderstandings.

oh..and i'd be happy to kick some butt here too. Bit worried about the shockingly intolerant attitude korean police have to fights here though. Luckily in the west your incident with the druggie and s.african would be overlooked as minor. Here, the police will penalise you heavilly, sue for your life savings for such an infraction. And you'd probably be immediately outnumbered by koreans out to defend the nation from foreigners, even if you're the one whos been insulted.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote kunio

Quote:
Isn't it difficult to live as a woman in Korea?

You're kidding, right? Ask any asians, to compare with other countries in Asia, we rarely have any problem.


probably true to an extent, although korea does appear to have a high level of domestic abuse/violence against women. Its apparent in all age groups, from little boys in the classroom hitting the girls freely right up to married women being slapped around and beaten without any legal recourse. Its a male dominated society in korea.
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kunio



Joined: 25 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:

Don't dissapear so soon! You're welcome on here. I do spout off about Korea a lot but I certainly welcome the input of Koreans on here who have had experience living in both cultures. We need folks like you to iron out the misunderstandings.

oh..and i'd be happy to kick some butt here too. Bit worried about the shockingly intolerant attitude korean police have to fights here though. Luckily in the west your incident with the druggie and s.african would be overlooked as minor. Here, the police will penalise you heavilly, sue for your life savings for such an infraction. And you'd probably be immediately outnumbered by koreans out to defend the nation from foreigners, even if you're the one whos been insulted.


If you were really angry, I guess you could push that person a little bit maybe towards highway side..(sorry guys I'm only joking here. Not an ex murderer or anything) But let me tell you if you attacked the SA guy like I did, you are probably still in Israel serving the sentence. The reason I got off wasn't because Israelis were particularly generous towards foreign nationals (What do you think?) it was because he was twice of my size and I was 19 who couldn't speak English in other words who couldn't protect myself to say something and yes I was crying. (with anger) They really felt sorry for me although there were witnesses. So after they kicked me out they arranged a place to stay for me etc. All good. And don't misunderstand. I like South Africa, especially Cape town. Beautiful.
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wwidgirl



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Quote kunio

Quote:
Isn't it difficult to live as a woman in Korea?

You're kidding, right? Ask any asians, to compare with other countries in Asia, we rarely have any problem.


probably true to an extent, although korea does appear to have a high level of domestic abuse/violence against women. Its apparent in all age groups, from little boys in the classroom hitting the girls freely right up to married women being slapped around and beaten without any legal recourse. Its a male dominated society in korea.


Personally, when I talk about the mistreatment of women in Korea, I'm talking about how women are only valued for their appearance, and how women are paid less than men, and how there's a "glass ceiling" since men tend to only hire men for executive positions, etc. Not necessarily just how women are abused here (which they tend to be).

But yeah, when you go out with a Korean guy, he'll treat you pretty well, but when you look at the bigger picture, women do have it rougher here than in Western nations.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kunio wrote:
Junior wrote:

Don't dissapear so soon! You're welcome on here. I do spout off about Korea a lot but I certainly welcome the input of Koreans on here who have had experience living in both cultures. We need folks like you to iron out the misunderstandings.

oh..and i'd be happy to kick some butt here too. Bit worried about the shockingly intolerant attitude korean police have to fights here though. Luckily in the west your incident with the druggie and s.african would be overlooked as minor. Here, the police will penalise you heavilly, sue for your life savings for such an infraction. And you'd probably be immediately outnumbered by koreans out to defend the nation from foreigners, even if you're the one whos been insulted.


If you were really angry, I guess you could push that person a little bit maybe towards highway side..(sorry guys I'm only joking here. Not an ex murderer or anything) But let me tell you if you attacked the SA guy like I did, you are probably still in Israel serving the sentence. The reason I got off wasn't because Israelis were particularly generous towards foreign nationals (What do you think?) it was because he was twice of my size and I was 19 who couldn't speak English in other words who couldn't protect myself to say something and yes I was crying. (with anger) They really felt sorry for me although there were witnesses. So after they kicked me out they arranged a place to stay for me etc. All good. And don't misunderstand. I like South Africa, especially Cape town. Beautiful.


Het jy ook die taal geleer? Just wondering.
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kunio



Joined: 25 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:

probably true to an extent, although korea does appear to have a high level of domestic abuse/violence against women. Its apparent in all age groups, from little boys in the classroom hitting the girls freely right up to married women being slapped around and beaten without any legal recourse. Its a male dominated society in korea.


Where do you live? Because I swear I've never seen it once. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. It probably does when I don't see it just like the rest of the world but it if happens often on front of your eyes, I wonder where you live and what kind of mindset you have. Because they say 'Like attract likes' which came true when I was traveling different countries, I always ended up meeting people behaving like my best friend or myself but they were locals.

Also, when I was living in NY, in the poor town which was a background of the horror movie 'twinpix' or something, I had to hear a gun sound everyday (right before Sep 11) but did I tell others NY was a totally rotten mad max city of hell? Nah, I said I didn't enjoy it much because I couldn't afford to live in Manhattan, therefore my living there was quite a scary one despite the fact I rarely get scared. Why don't you take it easy and see the bright side of things? Lot of my japanese girl friends demand me to introduce Korean guys as they believe Korean guys are nicer to women although I advised them it depends on people since it always does. Don't generalize. Drop the prejudice. Isn't it something a teacher should tell their students?
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kunio wrote:
And don't misunderstand. I like South Africa, especially Cape town. Beautiful.


South Africa is a fantastic country, I know cape town well (beautiful city) and many of my relatives, including my father) are South Africans.
Unfortunately there are a few minority dudes there who still think its ok to dislike anyone whos not white (mostly afrikaanders). But that is the minority.

Plenty koreans also dislike foreigners, although they (mostly) don't openly express it, unless drunk. The vibe and stares can be quite severe at times though, or the whispered comments and so on.

Ah well such are the pitfalls of the intercultural world we're now in:)
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the boards.

It's always great to hear a different perspective on things.
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