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jameshaddrill
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: Doing a runner |
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Okay... This isn't exactly what I wanted my first post on here to be but....
I've been in Korea just over a week and I'm not exactly having fun. The job I'm in isn't everything I hoped it would be. Basically the hours are pretty long and fairly antisocial. The director promised a lot of things that haven't appeared yet, including a desk, chairs, trash can and TV. There are a couple of strange things in the contract that I shouldn't have really agreed to but I was in a rush to leave England.
So my question is... what are the possible consequences of just splitting from here if things get too bad? There's a clause in my contract saying that I have to reimburse the school for my plane ticket if I leave in the first 6 months and I have to give 60 days notice....
Sorry this is long but I thought I should explain my whole situation. Does anyone know what the worst case scenario and likely outcomes are?
Thanks. |
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Return Jones

Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Location: I will see you in far-off places
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Don't overreact. Give it some more time. Give them notice if you must, but don't let a missing trash can and chair get to you. Work hours in Korea are not quite like in the West. During your breaks feel free to surf the net, go out and take a walk, listen to your ipod, order food, put your head down and take a nap, etc. Almost every teacher here has done a year of long hours in less-than-ideal circumstances before moving to something better.
As far as consquences go for doing a runner, you could possibly encounter difficulties getting another job in Korean. The Immigration Blacklist is rumoured to be true, but I've never seen concrete proof. Otherwise I don't think you have to worry. I've never heard of anyone getting nailed in any way for a runner once they've made it back home. The cost and hassle of filing a lawsuit across the world likely isn't worth it to an employer. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Doing a runner |
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jameshaddrill wrote: |
but I was in a rush to leave England. |
And now you're in a rush to get back.
Maybe you should become a flight attendant so you wouldn't have to be anywhere for very long. |
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jameshaddrill
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Doing a runner |
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Corporal wrote: |
jameshaddrill wrote: |
but I was in a rush to leave England. |
And now you're in a rush to get back.
Maybe you should become a flight attendant so you wouldn't have to be anywhere for very long. |
the question of what i actually want to do is a whole different can of worms.... |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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If you do a midnight run, there is not much they can do.
Extraditing you from England to Korea for a broken contract isn't going to happen.
Ofcourse you might become blacklisted
o yeah, and you cannot return for one year to Korea. |
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Mary-Jane
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: |
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I'm not actually in Korea, but I'm in the process of getting a job there. So I guess I don't actually know what the reality is like yet, but...
Give it a couple more weeks, see if you settle in? I think it would be better not to think too much about doing a runner, already... otherwise you'll be seeing everything in a negative light and not giving your experience here a proper chance. Maybe you can find some other teachers who work similar hours and get together with them. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Doing a runner |
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jameshaddrill wrote: |
Okay... This isn't exactly what I wanted my first post on here to be but....
I've been in Korea just over a week and I'm not exactly having fun. The job I'm in isn't everything I hoped it would be. Basically the hours are pretty long and fairly antisocial. The director promised a lot of things that haven't appeared yet, including a desk, chairs, trash can and TV. There are a couple of strange things in the contract that I shouldn't have really agreed to but I was in a rush to leave England.
So my question is... what are the possible consequences of just splitting from here if things get too bad? There's a clause in my contract saying that I have to reimburse the school for my plane ticket if I leave in the first 6 months and I have to give 60 days notice....
Sorry this is long but I thought I should explain my whole situation. Does anyone know what the worst case scenario and likely outcomes are?
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I am sorry, this reply is also long but it is meant in your best interest.
Some of this is quoted from another thread. The advice is probably just as relevant here.
I don't know you and this is NOT meant as a flame.
You have been here for a week or so.
You have some serious issues to deal with on a personal level.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee. You're not home anymore.
The rules are different. The culture is different. The language is different. The food is different. The everything is different.
You can decide that this is a new adventure, time to learn the domestic rule book, buckle down, grow up and do your job.
Sorry to rain on your parade.
Spread your wings and fly or return to the nest.
What did you think you were signing up for? A fully prepaid vacation?
What are the consequences of your actions? Who paid for the airticket over here for your VACATION? How much was it. 1000 quid? Must be nice to burn your boss for it because you have been here a week and don't have a desk, chairs, TV or trash can or a desk yet.
NOW for some sage advice:
Your first couple weeks here will be the hardest.
When I first arrived I was taken out for dinner and then dropped off at my apartment and left there. That was on a Friday night. It was a 3 day weekend so I was scheduled to have lunch with my new boss on the Monday. My cable wasn't hooked up so I had no TV. I had no internet. Just a basic apartment with some simple furnishings and basic kitchen stuff.
On Saturday morning after I woke up I went outside, sat down on the apartment step and wondered to myself, "What the he11 did I get myself into?"
It didn't improve much on the Monday when I met my new boss. He couldn't speak English. It was a quiet lunch.
Tuesday monring I was dropped into my first class - sink or swim.
Was I intimidated? You bet. Was I overwhelmed? You bet. Did I learn to swim? You bet.
After a little while I started to get out and explore my new surroundings. Things weren't so bad. I was close to a major department store. There were restaurants with picture menus. I could cope.
It took my boss a little while, but I got a phone, cable TV, and internet. Now I had my roots and was within my comfort zone again. After that it was pretty much a good gig.
I settled down into my job. Got the hang of things around the hakwon. I made some new friends. 5 years later I have moved up the scale a little bit, I am happy and living a nice, comfortable middle class type lifestyle.
My advice, PATIENCE there good fellow. You are overwhelmed and on overload. Take a deep breath, count to 20, and have a cup of tea. It will all work out. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Doing a runner |
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ttompatz said it best. Good advice with just a little of a wake up call which was needed. |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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I don't agree with the whole "buckle down, grow up and do your job" assessment - some places here are genuinely bad.
Perhaps this person would be better in Japan in one of the big structured programs (like JET, NOVA, Geos etc.) where extensive orientation and training are provided and a fully pre-planned curriculum is laid out - with a large network of support people to help them every step of the way. Maybe that is what he is looking for.
I mean - I *would* give his current job a fair go for a little longer, but if it doesn't work out then that's ok.
Korea is not for everyone. Maybe this man shouldn't have been put in a "sink or swim" situation in the first place. |
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jameshaddrill
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: I am going to stick it out for a while |
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I'll be here at least until the second week in October. I would feel very bad about just leaving but if things are really bad then I have to say that I'm going to put my well-being first.
Anyway, we'll see, I think I'm going to have a long chat with my director on Monday if he's willing and see if we can change any of the conditions.
Nothing's set in stone yet... |
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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Korea is not for everyone. Maybe this man shouldn't have been put in a "sink or swim" situation in the first place. |
Well, I agree with you on some points, but he's the one who chose to be here and no one forced him to come.
He should stick it out little longer. If things don't work out like he's planned, he should be a man and give your boss your notice and be fair. Afterall, he's given you the chance to become a teacher in Korea and spent all the money to get you here.
May be just by letting him know that you're not happy with situation could change things for you very quickly. I had similar problem when I got here a month ago, but those things that you mentioned were fixed right away when I was up front with my boss. Your boss could be very reasonable when you're frank with him/her.
Good luck! |
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InXTransition
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Location: Ilsan, Korea
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Doing a runner |
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Corporal wrote: |
And now you're in a rush to get back.
Maybe you should become a flight attendant so you wouldn't have to be anywhere for very long. |
That was cute... & very constructive.
Look, I think "sticking it out" is a great idea, @ least for a mo., just like jameshaddrill said he would. On the other hand, everyone knows about what they can & can't handle, & if one really can't handle the situation they're put in, & they've got an escape route, I say, take it.
As for the Immi. Blacklist... look it up, kiddo. (I didn't find anything useful, but I didn't look very hard.) |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote: |
I don't agree with the whole "buckle down, grow up and do your job" assessment - some places here are genuinely bad.
Perhaps this person would be better in Japan in one of the big structured programs (like JET, NOVA, Geos etc.) where extensive orientation and training are provided and a fully pre-planned curriculum is laid out - with a large network of support people to help them every step of the way. Maybe that is what he is looking for.
I mean - I *would* give his current job a fair go for a little longer, but if it doesn't work out then that's ok.
Korea is not for everyone. Maybe this man shouldn't have been put in a "sink or swim" situation in the first place. |
Actually, th OP listed nothing even remotely outrageous, so I think ttompatz was dead-on with his statements. Now, if the OP would like to enlighten us a little, then perhaps he'd get advice better suited for his specific situation and needs. The specific issues he mentioned are minor. Very. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Stay longer! One week is not enough time to judge...... Ive had holidays longer than that and probably worse! Are there some problems youre not telling us about? Cos if what youve said is all there is..... well thats not a big deal at all.
I arrived on a Monday, started work on the Tuesday. I was given some books and told to go and teach..... I didnt even know where the classroom was! No one talked to me for about 2 weeks, I didnt know the shedule, what age I was teaching.... I knew NOTHING about my job. They didnt help me in anyway. I lived on cereal for 2 weeks because I didnt know about the food.... I was thrown in the deep end.
After about a month I got used to the books, the students, got into a routine and started to enjoy what I was doing. In the weekends I took walks around the nieghbourhood - I always feel good after getting exercise, and it was really great having a look at all the strange and interesting things around me. I met some other foreigners and started travelling around the country - which was awesome.
The previous teacher could speak Korean, so it took a while for the Korean teachers to talk to me (they were embarrassed about using their English). But once they opened up we started going out for dinners and drinks and it was great. After talking to other foreign teachers, I realised just how good a job I have - the boss looks after me and the teachers are supportive and always help with my problems.
My point being..... give it some time!! I month at the VERY least, 2 or 3 even better. Things change a lot from your first week!!! It only got better for me and I hope it does for you too. If it gets worse, then sure - quit. But at least give it a chance.
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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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OP said,
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Basically the hours are pretty long and fairly antisocial. The director promised a lot of things that haven't appeared yet, including a desk, chairs, trash can and TV. There are a couple of strange things in the contract that I shouldn't have really agreed to but I was in a rush to leave England. |
As many people said and agreed, what OP mentioned are very minor. I know how OP feels being away from his home may be for the first time, but
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Basically the hours are pretty long and fairly antisocial. |
Are you working longer than agreed hours? If so, you could always refuse to work no more than what has been agreed to. How are they being antisocial? Are they being really rude to you? Is so f*ck em, you'll have no problem making new friends in this network. Just give it a time. But don't expect all Koreans to give you the red carpet treatment.
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The director promised a lot of things that haven't appeared yet, including a desk, chairs, trash can and TV. |
What things has he promised and not been provided? Can you be specific? I'm glad to hear that you're going to talk to your boss about it. Most likely, things will be provided when you complain about it.
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There are a couple of strange things in the contract that I shouldn't have really agreed to but I was in a rush to leave England. |
What are those strange things? Can you please be specific? Why did you rush to sign a sh*t contract and leave England?
Unless these questions are answered properly, I would have to questions his motives. |
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