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Alias77



Joined: 28 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:41 pm    Post subject: Public Schools - further questions than the old stickies Reply with quote

I just read through as many of the old stickies as I could find devoted to the "public vs private" concept, but I still have some unanswered questions:

1) Schedules typically read 8:45 - 4:30. If you only teach 22 hours a week, then it doesn't add up. I read that one usually stays at the school even when classes aren't in session. So, what do you do during the non-class time? Are you paid for non-class time as overtime? Is there overtime?

2) Someone mentioned "creating jeong" with the Korean teachers at the public school. What does this mean?

3) Are there typically other foreigners working in the same public school? (I'm aiming for a job in Seoul)

I don't want to ask too many questions at once, so I'll start with these.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Public Schools - further questions than the old stickies Reply with quote

Alias77 wrote:
I just read through as many of the old stickies as I could find devoted to the "public vs private" concept, but I still have some unanswered questions:

1) Schedules typically read 8:45 - 4:30. If you only teach 22 hours a week, then it doesn't add up. I read that one usually stays at the school even when classes aren't in session. So, what do you do during the non-class time? Are you paid for non-class time as overtime? Is there overtime?

2) Someone mentioned "creating jeong" with the Korean teachers at the public school. What does this mean?

3) Are there typically other foreigners working in the same public school? (I'm aiming for a job in Seoul)

I don't want to ask too many questions at once, so I'll start with these.


1. You become an expert ass-sitter.
2. I have no idea.
3. No.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. You might have to actually do some prep for lessons, I check my email and look for more resources. Before lunch I'll be watching a TV show I downloaded.

2. An example of creating jeong would be to accept some of the dinner invitations you will receive.

Yesterday my last class was cancelled so I could play volleyball with the teachers against the new VP's old school. I was worried I might let the team down since the last time I played volleyball was in P.E class in 1990!!

After that we all went to a traditional restaurant in the country for dinner. I got home around 8, I usually get home by 5:30 but participaiting in this will help relations at work somewhat, and I don't mind doing that once in awhile anyway.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Public Schools - further questions than the old stickies Reply with quote

Alias77 wrote:
I just read through as many of the old stickies as I could find devoted to the "public vs private" concept, but I still have some unanswered questions:

1) Schedules typically read 8:45 - 4:30. If you only teach 22 hours a week, then it doesn't add up. I read that one usually stays at the school even when classes aren't in session. So, what do you do during the non-class time? Are you paid for non-class time as overtime? Is there overtime?

2) Someone mentioned "creating jeong" with the Korean teachers at the public school. What does this mean?

3) Are there typically other foreigners working in the same public school? (I'm aiming for a job in Seoul)

I don't want to ask too many questions at once, so I'll start with these.


1) you do work, plan lessons, decorate your classroom, talk with students, prepare special projects, surf the internet, read books, study Korea, go to the bank, go to the doctor, go to the post office, study chinese, do an online tefl, do an online masters, read books on teaching methodology, drink coffee, go outside and shoot hoops,

2)never heard of jeong

3) some schools in some areas are able to hire their own native teacher with approval of their gu office or education office. Some of these schools also apply for a gepik or smoe teacher also. Some schools might have a foreign teacher doing an after school program. Most schools have only one teacher. Some private elementary schools have as many as 3 or 4.
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Alias77



Joined: 28 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Public Schools - further questions than the old stickies Reply with quote

Horangi Munshin wrote:

1. You might have to actually do some prep for lessons, I check my email and look for more resources. Before lunch I'll be watching a TV show I downloaded.

I_Am_Wrong wrote:


1) you do work, plan lessons, decorate your classroom, talk with students, prepare special projects, surf the internet, read books, study Korea, go to the bank, go to the doctor, go to the post office, study chinese, do an online tefl, do an online masters, read books on teaching methodology, drink coffee, go outside and shoot hoops,


So, basically, you're saying that my out-of-class time is mine to do with as I see fit, as long as I stay on or near school property? Can you take a one hour lunch? Wink

What about overtime then?

Do you get paid for all the time you spend on the clock or a negatioted monthly amount?
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each school is different. I work at two country schools, rolls of 130 and 85 resp. At my main school I teach 3 days a week. I have to keep office hours (8:30 to 4:00), I teach 16 classes a week there. At my second school, (two days a week) I teach 8 classes but only have to turn up for my classes, so today my compulsory hours are 11:10 to around 2:00.

I get overtime if I teach above the contracted number of classes. For me that is 25 per week. I don't work for EPIK.
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience is inline with what the others have posted. I teach in theory an average of seventeen 45 minute periods per week. However, due to holidays, exams, and school special events it is rare that I teach for 5 consecutive days in a week.

Yes, I have to stay at my school during school hours even if I have no classes to teach. As a new teacher I find good use of the time preparing to teach. I still have plenty of time left over so I watch several back episodes of �The Daily Show with Jon Stewart� on most days.

I did the introduction meal at both of my schools (I split my days between an all girl�s and an all boy�s middle school). I occasionally bring in a snack to share with my co-workers. I make a point of taking a break with my co-workers to eat some fruit or other snack that others bring in to be social. I politely take a pass on all other after work activities and no one seems offended.


For me it is a cushy job.


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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, my butt falls asleep some days. so i'm going to start an online masters.

i'm way in the country, so i'm the only foreign teacher. so they forget to tell me things sometimes, though things always work out.

tomorrow is a school-wide "fitness test", so i'll have exactly 0 to do.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Public Schools - further questions than the old stickies Reply with quote

Alias77 wrote:
Horangi Munshin wrote:

1. You might have to actually do some prep for lessons, I check my email and look for more resources. Before lunch I'll be watching a TV show I downloaded.

I_Am_Wrong wrote:


1) you do work, plan lessons, decorate your classroom, talk with students, prepare special projects, surf the internet, read books, study Korea, go to the bank, go to the doctor, go to the post office, study chinese, do an online tefl, do an online masters, read books on teaching methodology, drink coffee, go outside and shoot hoops,


So, basically, you're saying that my out-of-class time is mine to do with as I see fit, as long as I stay on or near school property? Can you take a one hour lunch? Wink

What about overtime then?

Do you get paid for all the time you spend on the clock or a negatioted monthly amount?


You get paid a monthly amount for being physically present at school from 8.30 or 9.00 until 4.30 or 5.00, but can often arrange to teach extra classes for extra pay. High school teachers tend to be at school the longest but also get the most lessons cancelled. Some Korean teachers easily put in 60+ hours a week but only teach up to 16 lessons, so if you think they'll be understanding of your down-time, forget it.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of these have been answered, but I'll add my thoughts anyway.

I am physically present at my school from 8:40-4:40. I teach 23 classes that are 40 minutes a piece.

My schedule is:

Mon: 9-12:10, 1:10-1:50pm
Tues & Wes 9-1pm
Thur & Fri 9-12:10

I don't lesson plan that much. Mostly the Korean teachers do it and then I meet with them once a week to go over their plan and make changes.

I'm going to be teaching the teachers from Oct-Dec four days a week for forty minutes (no teacher classes Wednesday). Right now I'm working on lesson plans for those classes. I was able to get the school to agree to treat the hours I teach adult classes seperately from the other classes. Meaning if some of my regular classes are canceled, I still get overtime for the teacher classes.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Public Schools - further questions than the old stickies Reply with quote

Alias77 wrote:
I just read through as many of the old stickies as I could find devoted to the "public vs private" concept, but I still have some unanswered questions:

1) Schedules typically read 8:45 - 4:30. If you only teach 22 hours a week, then it doesn't add up. I read that one usually stays at the school even when classes aren't in session. So, what do you do during the non-class time? Are you paid for non-class time as overtime? Is there overtime?

2) Someone mentioned "creating jeong" with the Korean teachers at the public school. What does this mean?

3) Are there typically other foreigners working in the same public school? (I'm aiming for a job in Seoul)

I don't want to ask too many questions at once, so I'll start with these.


1) you are a salaried and NOT an hourly wage employee. You are paid for 40 hours per week (butt in chair). Within that time frame part of your duties are to teach up to 22 classes per week. If you teach more classes then you get an additional salary suppliment of 20k-25k per class.

In our terms (our way of thinking from home) there is NO overtime.

2.) If you ever worked in a company at home that did extra curricular activities for "team building" then it would be similar to this.

3) Often, NO. Sometimes yes. There are 2 FTs in our school.
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wormholes101



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know that Jeong can be summed up in one English word. It's a word that describes a state of relationship and can apply between males, between females and between both.

I would describe it as a close friendship. A easy way to develop this in Korea is by drinking soju and going to karaoke bars.
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