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[Big_Bird]

The recieved wisdom in the West is that it is always the Israelis who have held out the olive branch, and the wicked Arabs who consistently rejected it. In fact, many political and historical scholars have pointed out that it has regularly being the reverse, with Israel constantly looking to reject any deal that would force it to give up illegally held territory. However, there are many Israelis who recognise this, including Israeli journalist Uri Avnery.

Here is a warning from Uri Avnery about another frightening peace proposal! Damn - how will the Israeli government circumvent yet another of these pesky peace initiatives?

IN THE corridors of power in Jerusalem the cry is going up: "Help! Peace is upon you, Israel!!

A terrible enemy is conspiring to impose peace on us. He is advancing against us from two sides, in a giant pincer movement.

One arm of this offensive is the Palestinian Unity Government that is about to be set up.

The other is the decision of the Arab League to revive the Arab Peace Plan.
From the point of view of the Government of Israel, this offensive is far more dangerous then all of Hassan Nasrallah's rockets put together.

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The National Unity Government is designed to restore public order and to break the international blockade.

For this to happen, the government must circumvent several obstacles. For religious reasons, it is difficult for Hamas to recognize Israel officially. This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, as alleged, but with the fact that according to Islam, Palestine is a "Waqf" (religious endowment) belonging to Allah (similar to the Jewish fundamentalists' belief that God has promised us the country, so that giving away any part of it is a mortal sin.) But the Muslim religion opens a back door here by allowing for a long-term "hudnah" (truce) that can last for decades or even centuries.

The way to solve this problem is to get the Unity Government, headed by Hamas, to declare that it is committed to the "prisoners' document", the UN resolutions, the agreements signed between Israel and the PLO and the Arab peace plan - all of which are based on the recognition of Israel. That should suffice for anybody who really wants to promote Israeli-Palestinian peace.

As far as our government is concerned, there precisely is the rub.


THE SECOND arm of the peace offensive is the renewal of the Arab Peace Plan.

This plan was originally devised by Abdallah, then the Crown Prince and now the King of Saudi Arabia. It was adopted by the summit meeting of the Arab heads of state in Beirut in March 2002.

This plan says, roughly: the entire Arab world will recognize Israel and make peace with it, if it withdraws to the 1967 borders and makes it possible to establish the State of Palestine, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

The government of Israel has rejected the initiative, as the Hebrew expression goes, "on the threshold" (every peace initiative is rejected "on the threshold", so as not to allow it, God forbid, to put a foot in the door.) The plan was consigned to a pigeon hole and has been collecting dust ever since. Now the evil Arabs have decided to dust it off and slap it back on the table.


AGAINST THIS danger of the Arab peacemongers, the Olmert government is calling up all its forces. In spite of the fact the entire political and military leadership is now busy fighting for its survival after the Lebanon fiasco, it is uniting in the face of this frightening menace.

Tzipi Livni was sent head over heels to the United States, in order to avert the danger. She went to convince President Bush (who happened to "pass" the room when she was talking with Condoleezza Rice and who calls her "Tsiffi") to use the deadly American veto against any Security Council resolution that might support peace. She is going to meet with some 20 heads of governments and foreign ministers to enlist their support against this menace.

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WHY DOES the peace offensive frighten the Israeli government?

If somebody had come to us on June 4, 1967, and told us that the entire Arab world was ready to make peace with us within the borders existing on that day, and that the Palestinian leadership, too, was prepared to declare an end to the historic conflict, we would have felt that the Messiah had come.

But on June 5, 1967, we started a war that changed everything. We were soon in control of the whole of Palestine and huge additional territories. We declared that we were holding them temporarily in order to trade them in, but, as is well known, appetite comes with eating. We started to annex territories (East Jerusalem with its surroundings and the Golan Heights), and to cover the West Bank with settlements.

In the eyes of the Israeli leadership, the peace initiative - any peace initiative - is nothing but an evil conspiracy of the peacemongers to rob us of these territories. It would compel us to put an end to the settlement enterprise - which has not stopped for a moment since 1968, and which is even now in full swing - and to dismantle the existing settlements.

The pincer movement of the peacemongers could gather momentum and generate international pressure that would be difficult to withstand. That's the reason for the panic in Jerusalem.

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How many soldiers and civilians, Israeli and Arab, must die before we finally understand that peace with the Palestinian people and the entire Arab world is immeasurably more important to Israel than trying to hang on to the occupied territories and the settlements?

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[Boodleheimer]

man, you're setting yourself up for some cccccrrrrrrraaaaaayzy responses, bird. i'm trying to give up the current events forum, myself.

[Big_Bird]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Arab League peace plan demanded Right of Return.

As Sair Nussbehi said Right of Return is not compatable with Israel right to exist.

[Boodleheimer]

[Junior]

if israel retreated to 1967 boundaries, it would be about 10km across at its widest point. Every Israeli would be at the reach of rockets from Arab- held territory.

Do you really think the Arab world would stop, when they were suddenly a hairs breadth from devouring Israel completely???


It is absurd that you are asking a nation to put themselves in a defenceless position, alongside an enemy who has sworn to wipe it off the face of the earth and continuously proven itself untrustworthy, over centuries.

how about you volunteer to live in a cardboard box, in a pit of starving lions?

[Boodleheimer]

[Kuros]

Nice try, Big Bird, trying to show how a group of Arabs tired of the violence are trying to stop it, and making it somehow look bad for Israel.

The fact is the Arab Peace Plan should be commended. I don't see why Israel needs to mocked. Instead, they should be encouraged to accept the plan if they believe it will guarentee them a meaningful peace.

[thepeel]

So, what you are saying is that if Israel returns the West Bank etc that the Arabs in the region will simply stop shouting genocide?

Do you know what it means to "teach hate"? That means that the Arab kids are taught to hate the Jews regardless of their actions. That can't be undone overnight with one political resolution. The muslim and arab world is socially sick, and the causes of this sickness aren't only those terrible Joos.

You see, the muslim nations are basket cases, for a wide variety of reasons. And the crazy fuc%s running these nations use the Jews as a way to take deflect attention from the pathetic people away from their government and religious imposed Neanderthal existence.

If the Jews do what is asked of them, and honestly try to make peace and be 'equal' partners in peace, the arabs and muslims will then find yet another reason to want to kill them because it is politically useful for their crazy leaders to do so.

Next time you are in a muslim nation take a peek 'round a bookstore. I think you will be surprised to find hate literature placed in open areas. Mien Kemph is actually a very hot selling book in Turkey (or, it was when I lived there 2 years ago). I was recently in Malaysia and was surprised to find more than 40 books (I counted) prominently placed at the front of the bookstore, all of which detailing the international Zionist conspiracy, and how the joos eat muslims for breakfast etc (seriously).

I know it is hard to understand when you come from a civilized society, but the majority of Arabs and Muslims HATE the Jews and want them gone. Not just gone from the MidEast, but gone full stop.

Israel must protect her population from the genocidal hate outside her borders.

[Boodleheimer]

[Junior]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

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