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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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 Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: G.W. Bush - The non-negotiator |
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What's the deal with this guy? He won't talk to anybody. He's more silent than Kim Jong-il. All of his foes including the presidents of Iran and Venezuela want to debate him, but he won't even talk to them.
Jimmy Carter was on Larry king live this week saying that the only way to peace is through negotiations and that Bush should start talking.
This is one of the American gov's problems with the world. His image is bad because he won't talk to other leaders. How can you have peace if you won't come tothe bargaining table? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: |
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I'd luv to do some Lacanian analysis on the man. Just for the fun of it.........but in any case, an inditement of the way elected officials get hoisted to the top.........
Me thinks there is something very underloved in him......conjecture yes but more than likely , yes.....
Does this at all remind you of Bush???? Written at the end of WW2 - a psycological analysis of Hitler...interesting to compare only on a psychological level of course...
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At the time of the reoccupation of the Rhineland, Hitler made use of an extraordinary figure of speech in describing his own conduct. He said,
"I follow my course with the precision and security of a sleepwalker."
Even at that time it struck the world as an unusual statement for the undisputed leader of 67,000,000 people to make at the time of an international crisis. Hitler meant it to be a form of' reassurance for his more wary followers who questioned the wisdom of his course. It seems, however, that it was a true confession and had his wary followers only realized its significance and implications they would have had grounds for far greater concern that aroused by his proposal to reoccupy the Rhineland. For the course of this sleep-walker has carried him over many untravelled roads which finally led him unerringly to a pinnacle of success and power never reached before. And still it lured him on until today he stands on the brink of disaster. He will go down in history as the most worshipped and the most despised man the world has ever known.
Many people have stopped and asked themselves: "Is this man sincere in his undertakings or is he a fraud?" Certainly even a fragmentary knowledge of his past life warrants such a question, particularly since our correspondents have presented us with many conflicting views. At times, it seemed almost inconceivable that a man could be sincere and do what [Page 5] Hitler has done in the course of his career. |
Sort of bang on in a Maoist sort of way this....
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Although Hitler has done considerable reading in a variety of fields of study, he does not in any way attribute his infallibility or omniscience to any intellectual endeavor on his part. On the contrary, he frowns on such sources when it comes to guiding the destiny of nations. His opinion of the intellect is, in fact, extremely low, for in various places he makes such statements as the following:
"Of secondary importance is the training of mental abilities."
"Over-educated people, stuffed with knowledge and intellect, but bare of any sound instincts."
"These impudent rascals (intellectuals) who always know everything better than anybody else..."
"The intellect has grown autocratic, and has become a disease of life." |
And then we have the similarities in Providence....Divinity of mission, God mentioning.....
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Then, too, Hitler has reported several incidents during the war which proved to him that he was under Divine protection. The [Page 11] most startling of these is the following:
"I was eating my dinner in a trench with several comrades. Suddenly a voice seemed to be saying to me, 'Get up and go over there.' It was so clear and insistent that I obeyed automatically, as if it had been a military order. I rose at once to my feet and walked twenty yards along the trench carrying my dinner in its tin can with me. Then I sat down to go on eating, my mind being once more at rest. Hardly had I done so when a flash and deafening report came from the part of the trench I had just left. A stray shell had burst over the group in which I had been sitting, and every member of it was killed." (Price, 241)
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| As time went on, it became clearer that he. was thinking of himself as the Messiah and that it was he who was destined to lead Germany to glory. His references to the Bible became more frequent and the movement began to take on a religious [page 13] atmosphere. Comparisons between Christ and himself became more numerous and found their way into his conversation and speeches |
Then, also, there was the vision he had while in hospital at Pasewalk suffering from blindness allegedly caused by gas:
"Als ich im Bett lag kam mir der Gedanke, dass ich Deutschland befreien wuerde, dass ich es gross machen wuerde, und ich habe sofort gewusst, dass das verwirklicht werden wuerde." (429)
These experiences must later have fit in beautifully with the views of the Munich astrologers and it is possible that underneath Hitler felt that if there was any truth in their predictions they probably referred to him. |
So many similarities, I will let you read for yourself.....such a common profile beyond historical differences and culture......
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/profile-index.html
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think the analogy between Bushee and Hitler can be taken too far. Bush is a borderline fundamentalist, and Hitler liked some of the ritualism of the church and had a sort of primitivist belief, but he despised Christianity, calling it a 'faith for cowards and weaklings'. As a boy he started reading Darwin and stopped going to mass. And where Bush is right wing, Hitler was a 'national socialist' who nationalized industries and prohibited private gun ownership.
Nevertheless, I think it's an interesting comparison in that both leaders, near the end of their terms, figuratively or literally hide in their bunkers and avoid talking to anyone, and have a constantly shrinking inner circle that they trust. And yes, both seem to have some sort of strong moral compass based on some non-intellectual 'force' that drives them, whether it's the will of the people or the fight against terrorism.
Perhaps in Iran's case, an honest dialogue would accomplish something. Their president says wild things, but he's also intelligent and it's not a basket case of a country yet. But with north Korea and Venezuela, I have the feeling that it would only feed the trolls. To meet one on one with these leaders would only give them a feeling of legitimacy, and really, what would it accomplish? Kim Il would leave the meeting and contradict everything he agreed to within hours; Chavez would misrepresent whatever Bush said and go on buddying up to whoever doesn't like the Americans. Better to isolate the people you cannot possibly make an agreement with. Just my 2c.
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