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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Racist Attack? You decide . . .subpost Reply with quote

Little subpost to the Racist Attack you decide story (somewhat related). I attended to the Health Clinic at the Korean company I work at during my lunch break. No surprise but the nurse spoke NO English. I tried to explain in my extremely limited Korean, that my doctor had recommended that I rest when needed (most likely due to the previous concussion from the blows to my head). I rested in the Clinic bed for 20 minutes. The following week I attended again to the clinic during my lunch break and asked to rest in the bed. Another Korean company employee was also resting in another bed. The nurse denied my request, so I asked her to explain why. I couldn�t understand her answer, so I contacted my Korean friend to explain to her my situation and ask permission to rest occasionally during my lunch break. The nurse began yelling at my Korean friend on the phone (for 15 minutes). My Korean friend explained that she would not allow me to rest in the Clinic. No explanation was given. I became frustrated and asked for her namecard. She became very nervous. I left the clinic.

The following day I was called into my supervisor�s office. His translator explained that the nurse had filed a complaint against me. I explained to him the circumstances around the incident. He was aware that I had previously been �attacked� (although of course I stated it occurred while overseas), and informed him my physician had recommended that I attend to a clinic if rest was needed. I do not have medical coverage and cannot afford continuously going to a walk in Health clinic. Since the nurse was his friend, he did not believe my explanation. He kept drilling me on how she was offended. Suffice to say, my job is in jeopardy since my credibility is now in question. Now, I recognize that both the �attack� and this incident may be due to cultural and language differences. However, I am continuously finding that this reason is often used as an excuse to justify Koreans behaviors and actions. For example, a study done in Korea by a western media program found that Korean taxi drivers would not pick up foreigners when provided a choice to pick up other passengers who were Korean. In fact, the taxi drivers often made similar excuses on why they refused service to the foreigner passenger (e.g. didn�t speak Korean, although the passenger spoke to him in Korean, cultural misunderstanding, etc.). Any thoughts?
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Racist Attack? You decide . . .subpost Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
For example, a study done in Korea by a western media program found that Korean taxi drivers would not pick up foreigners when provided a choice to pick up other passengers who were Korean. In fact, the taxi drivers often made similar excuses on why they refused service to the foreigner passenger (e.g. didn�t speak Korean, although the passenger spoke to him in Korean, cultural misunderstanding, etc.). Any thoughts?


I am so shocked. That is just horrible. Please, everyone, leave this country before things get any worse.
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Racist Attack? You decide . . .subpost Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
I am so shocked. That is just horrible. Please, everyone, leave this country before things get any worse.


It's a perfectly valid complaint. 99% of taxis offer translation services via mobile phone. It's just another example of the lack of enforcement of clearly defined laws in this country.

According to a few friends who work at the MOCT, taxis may not refuse fares at any time for any reason, other than the obvious stuff, like a knife/gun wielding passenger, etc. But try and explain that to anyone standing around 종로 2가 or 강남역 after 12:00 on any given night.

Two nights ago I had a taxi driver sit still in his cab for 3 minutes until the clock struck 12 so he could start the meter at a higher rate. I understand the guy is trying to get paid, but dayum.

Taxis in other (first world) countries are more expensive, but at least you pay out the ass with a little dignity left instead of feeling ripped off or insulted.
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In fact, the taxi drivers often made similar excuses on why they refused service to the foreigner passenger
If this is done by the Western media, I'm not sure if they are aware of this little trick that happens constantly (not only to me).
I stand in the street. Another korean comes and stands 10m in front of me. They get a taxi before me...100% of the time.
But it isn't just me, I see it happen to Koreans ALLLLLLL the time.


So I wonder if a) that is an actual practice AND b) if that's something the western media were aware of.
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is getting weird.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Racist Attack? You decide . . .subpost Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:
It's a perfectly valid complaint.


Yeah, the kind that's worth about three minutes' bitching to your friend over a beer. Then you move on.
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bobbyhanlon



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No surprise but the nurse spoke NO English

you are in korea.

i sympathised with your earlier case, but you can't go around expecting everyone to speak english.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many of these stories always end up saying "They did it because I was a foreigner. If I was Korean they wouldn't treat me so poorly." That's just something you can't guess.
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: In response to bobby hanlon: Reply with quote

I never asked for sympathy. Just the ongoing battle trying to understand the cultural nuances of culture, where I have to distinguish what is TRULY cultural misunderstanding and what is not. I have not had the unfortunate lifetime experiences that minority groups in other cultures may have had, to be able to recognize what is considered subtle racism. That is not to say that I am claiming that this incident is racially motivated.

Secondly, I live in a country where Korean, not English, is the first language. Therefore, I do not expect ANYBODY to speak English. However, the majority of health nurses (not doctors mind you) that I have encountered speak rudimentary English. Let alone, a nurse who works for a multi-national corporation of 25,000 employees! Furthermore, I had a Korean friend translate my requests. It seemed that I was inconveniencing the nurse (from her personal phone time in an empty clinic), in conjunction with her disbelief that a foreigner could ever work for a multi-national corporation (even with my provided ID)! Sometimes I feel like the �token white boy� that these companies can push around. Which begs the question: Why do Korean companies not hire foreigners (even fluent Korean ones minus the Kyopos) directly? (and I have worked for a few)
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Too many of these stories always end up saying "They did it because I was a foreigner. If I was Korean they wouldn't treat me so poorly." That's just something you can't guess.


I agree. For a while, I thought taxis in the busy areas would refuse fair because I was white, but after a while I discovered it's because after 12 or 1 there are tons of kiddies trying to get back home outside of Seoul to make curfew, and they'll pay 3만원 and up off the meter to get back in time.
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aldershot



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Racist Attack? You decide . . .subpost Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
..I attended to the Health Clinic ... I attended again to the clinic ...I attend to a clinic ...?


sorry dude, you can't attend to a clinic. you can go to a clinic, you can attend a clinic (though that's a little awkard) but you can't attend to a clinic.

anyhow, it sucks that you complain about something and now your job is in jeopardy. happens a lot. happened to me when i complained about not recieving my paycheck on time. you look around at your korean co-workers and they complain about NOTHING, though they're getting farked around by the boss.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: In response to bobby hanlon: Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
Which begs the question: Why do Korean companies not hire foreigners (even fluent Korean ones minus the Kyopos) directly? (and I have worked for a few)


Actually, they do. I work for one, as I've already mentioned (twice) on your threads.

I am really tired of people assuming that every misunderstanding or difficulty in life here is due to racism. Imagine how frustrating it is for them to deal with us when we don't speak Korean. I've seen much worse treatment in the U.S. against foreigners who don't speak English - downright rude and degrading.

Why would you go to the nurse to rest? The "clinic" is for people who need treatment (I assume), not sleep. It's possible the nurse has regulations to follow, and doesn't understand that you have special permission from your doctor. And what does any of this have to do with taxis? So, drivers prefer people who speak their langauge? Big deal! So do we, which is why foreigners tend to go to bars, doctors, and neigborhoods where people speak English. Are we all racist?
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: In response to bobby hanlon: Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
I never asked for sympathy.


Well now I disagree. Just because it may not have been racially motivated doesn't mean you don't deserve sympathy.
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james the cat



Joined: 11 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it surprising why wars start!?!

How 'cultural' and 'language' barriers can be translated as 'racist'.

If you can't see through the 'barriers', it's time for a break...maybe a month or two back in the home country.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here a prescription for the OP.

Have a slice of pizza, take a chill pill, and lots of rest.....

My recommendation is that you either forget about the whole incident unless you are going to take some sort of action against the nurse and especially those thugs that attack you the other night.

But my best recommendation would be just forget about it since it's even affecting your employment. Take a deep breathe and just think about what you will do tomorrow, next day, and so on.....

I hope my prescription helps. Sorry dude....
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