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Scaggs



Joined: 19 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

Hi everyone,
I'm 24, living in California at the moment and am strongly considering teaching English in Korea. I have learned a lot from reading the FAQs here, but I have some questions that I didn't get clearly from FAQs, and also maybe just some advice/opinions.

Relevent information: 24, male, white with an average California accent, BA in Poli Sci from UCSD, cum laude honors, about $2500 saved for getting myself there and set up, small amount of volunteer work at an elementary school but no ESL experience, no Korean language experience.

From the boards, it is sounding like a lot of people recommend coming to the country and finding a job there and doing the visa run, so I can judge potential employment situations for myself. As I am making my decision, I am trying to figure out everything to do before flying over. With the BA it sounds as if hagwons are my best opportunity for employment.

THINGS TO DO?
- Obtain a 1-way ticket to Seoul
- Obtain a tourist visa before leaving, since I won't have a round trip to get 30-day visit permission (is there a better way to do this?)
- Work on learning the hangul alphabet
- Other things to do before I fly?
- Post a resume to websites? When should I start doing that relative to when I leave?

THINGS TO BRING? (not focusing on comfort items, like deoderant or such, but paperwork, records, the things that I will absolutely have to have to get in to the country and find a job.)
- Passport with visa
- Copies of my resume
- College transcripts -- copies? notarized?
- Passport sized photos to go with resume.
- Other things I will need to have with me to find employment

RANDOM QUESTIONS
- Should I arrange a hotel or hostel online from the states?
- Not arranging a job ahead, and not speaking Korean, will it be much easier to focus on Seoul and spare myself by not even thinking of an extra leg of travel both on arrival and on my visa run?
- If I plan to do a visa run to Japan (Fukuoka I guess) how much is that going to cost, travel and hotel? Am I better getting that covered or my plane ticket (~$600USD) covered?
- I hate making expecatations, 'cause that is the quickest way to end up disappointed, but what is a reasonable expectation for an amount of time between landing in country and having a place to live and job to work?

Right now it feels like there should be more steps involved to doing a move like this. Any advice is welcome and appriciated, both in regards to the points I raise and the ones that I didn't but should have. I expect I'll probably have a few more rounds of questions too. =)

Thanks in advance,
Michael
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

Scaggs wrote:
- Obtain a tourist visa before leaving, since I won't have a round trip to get 30-day visit permission (is there a better way to do this?)


Since you're American, getting a tourist visa to give you 90 days is a good idea. I can't think of a better way. If Immigration asks at the airport why you arrived on a one way ticket, just tell them you are planning to take a ferry from Busan to Fukuoka.

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- Post a resume to websites? When should I start doing that relative to when I leave?


Maybe 2 weeks before you come over should be plenty. Hogwons aren't exactly known for planning ahead. When you post it, make sure your title includes "ARRIVING IN SEOUL X/X/XXXX".

You can probably have some interviews already arranged for you before you even arrive.

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THINGS TO BRING? (not focusing on comfort items, like deoderant or such, but paperwork, records, the things that I will absolutely have to have to get in to the country and find a job.)
- Passport with visa
- Copies of my resume
- College transcripts -- copies? notarized?
- Passport sized photos to go with resume.
- Other things I will need to have with me to find employment


This is a good list, but Immigration will want sealed copies of your transcripts addressed and sent directly to the school you will be working for, and the seal must be over the back flap of the envelope. There's really no way to arrange that before you leave, but you might as well be aware of it. You will also need your original degree and/or copies notarized by the Korean embassy or consulate closest to your uni.

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- Should I arrange a hotel or hostel online from the states?


You're probably better off arranging that in Korea, the cheap places probably won't take your reservation from overseas. THe cheapest places to stay at are goshiwons (W10,000/night), but the rooms are tiny. For more info on goshiwons and where to find them, check here: http://wiki.galbijim.com/Goshiwon

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- Not arranging a job ahead, and not speaking Korean, will it be much easier to focus on Seoul and spare myself by not even thinking of an extra leg of travel both on arrival and on my visa run?


If you want to live and work in Seoul that would definitely be easier. If you want to live and work, and therefore focus on someplace else, just show up at Seoul Station and buy a train ticket to go to the city you'd rather be in. Train tickets are cheap.

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- If I plan to do a visa run to Japan (Fukuoka I guess) how much is that going to cost, travel and hotel? Am I better getting that covered or my plane ticket (~$600USD) covered?


Your school should cover the plane ticket for your visa run, all other expenses will be up to you. Check the stickies on visa runs to Osaka and Fukuoka for more details.

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- I hate making expecatations, 'cause that is the quickest way to end up disappointed, but what is a reasonable expectation for an amount of time between landing in country and having a place to live and job to work?


A week if you're not picky, a month if you are.

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Right now it feels like there should be more steps involved to doing a move like this.


I'm not surprised you feel that way, but it's easier than it seems like it should be. Then again, most hogwons will set you up with a place to live, and that's the biggest hassle of moving, isn't it?

Good luck.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:20 am    Post subject: Re: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Scaggs wrote:

If I plan to do a visa run to Japan (Fukuoka I guess) how much is that going to cost, travel and hotel? Am I better getting that covered or my plane ticket (~$600USD) covered?


Your school should cover the plane ticket for your visa run, all other expenses will be up to you. Check the stickies on visa runs to Osaka and Fukuoka for more details.


I agree with your other advice, SD, but the OP should get about W200,000 for expenses in Japan. Try to get your US-ROK ticket covered as well. They may not, but it won't hurt to ask.

One other point of advice for the OP - brush up on contracts. Read as many examples that you can and make a list of must haves and wants.


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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

huffdaddy wrote:
I agree with your other advice, SD, but the OP should get about W200,000 for expenses in Japan.


Interesting. I've never gotten that, but it can't hurt to ask for it.
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RachaelRoo



Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey OP, I'm currently doing exactly what you're planning to do (for the second time). You've definitely got the right idea about coming here first to look for a job.

Don't be afraid to ask schools to compensate you for your airfare in addition to paying for your visa run. Some recruiters will try to tell you that schools won't do this, but I know for sure that many schools will do this for a qualified, in country candidate who is ready to work immediately.

It is possible to set up interviews before you arrive, but it won't be necessary. You'll likely be jet lagged and disorientated when you arrive, and with the ample funds you have, I'd suggest taking the first few days to just explore your surroundings and maybe post your resume on www.worknplay.co.kr
Personally, from that one site, I have as many responses from employers and recruiters as I have time to respond to, and a few look pretty good.

Here's a good place to stay: http://www.backpackerkorea.com/
It's about $25 a night for a single room.

The only airline that I hear always asks to see the return ticket is Air Canada because they hate having customers, but to be safe, could you arrange a fully refundable airline ticket before you leave? I bought one from Air Canada but I don't know if airlines in the states do that.

It is surprisingly easy to come here without a job and set yourself up, especially because the demand for foreign teachers here is much greater than the supply - and don't forget that when you're considering a position or negotiating a contract!
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

Scaggs wrote:
*beep* laude honors


Sorry Micheal... just had to point out the 'only on Dave's' filter... Rolling Eyes
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only add one thing to what has already been said, and this is: do not let a friendly personality deceive you. At my current position, I merely glossed over the contract because I was naively taken in by the charming hagwon director. He speaks nearly flawless English, lived in the US for 5 years, and his hagwon really is a good program. Months later, I found myself wishing I'd have paid attention to the contract. Issues arose that I thought just wouldn't.

And that's all I have to say. Treat every person you meet as though they are planning to screw you over, regardless of how wonderful they seem. (That's not meant to be a hit on Korea, btw. This goes for anywhere.)
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Scaggs



Joined: 19 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the great replies. It is comforting both to hear endorsements from voices of experience and also nice just seeing that there are friendly people there who will take a couple of minutes to help someone out.



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This is a good list, but Immigration will want sealed copies of your transcripts addressed and sent directly to the school you will be working for, and the seal must be over the back flap of the envelope. There's really no way to arrange that before you leave, but you might as well be aware of it. You will also need your original degree and/or copies notarized by the Korean embassy or consulate closest to your uni.



I had just a couple questions about this part. The sealed transcripts will be needed when I am getting my E-2, right? With university and immigration bureaucracy, it seems like this could take a long time. Should I expect a major slow down on that?

For the notarized degree, any reason not to just do copies? What will I use them for/how many copies do I need?

Thanks again,
Michael
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

Scaggs wrote:
Thanks everyone for the great replies. It is comforting both to hear endorsements from voices of experience and also nice just seeing that there are friendly people there who will take a couple of minutes to help someone out.



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This is a good list, but Immigration will want sealed copies of your transcripts addressed and sent directly to the school you will be working for, and the seal must be over the back flap of the envelope. There's really no way to arrange that before you leave, but you might as well be aware of it. You will also need your original degree and/or copies notarized by the Korean embassy or consulate closest to your uni.



I had just a couple questions about this part. The sealed transcripts will be needed when I am getting my E-2, right? With university and immigration bureaucracy, it seems like this could take a long time. Should I expect a major slow down on that?

For the notarized degree, any reason not to just do copies? What will I use them for/how many copies do I need?

Thanks again,
Michael


This information is incorrect. The transcripts need to be sealed by the university (as mentioned, the seal must cover the opening flap of the envelope), but there is no need for them to be addressed by your university. You can hand them directly to your school if you want. Bring everything together as one big package. No need to involve university bureaucracy in this.
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seem pretty well prepared. I don't think anyone has mentioned this but a good way to set up some interviews (besides doing it on your own) would be to talk to 2 or 3 different recruiters. DON'T give them your documents but just use them for the connection to the school and take it from there. Also, don't stick to one exclusively but spread your bets around.

You can afford to be picky so don't jump at the first thing offered! I think many schools will pay a premium for a whilte face sitting in front of them and not something uncertain back in North America.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:12 am    Post subject: Re: Making plans ... to wing it ... Reply with quote

Novernae wrote:
Scaggs wrote:
Thanks everyone for the great replies. It is comforting both to hear endorsements from voices of experience and also nice just seeing that there are friendly people there who will take a couple of minutes to help someone out.



Quote:

This is a good list, but Immigration will want sealed copies of your transcripts addressed and sent directly to the school you will be working for, and the seal must be over the back flap of the envelope. There's really no way to arrange that before you leave, but you might as well be aware of it. You will also need your original degree and/or copies notarized by the Korean embassy or consulate closest to your uni.



I had just a couple questions about this part. The sealed transcripts will be needed when I am getting my E-2, right? With university and immigration bureaucracy, it seems like this could take a long time. Should I expect a major slow down on that?

For the notarized degree, any reason not to just do copies? What will I use them for/how many copies do I need?

Thanks again,
Michael


This information is incorrect. The transcripts need to be sealed by the university (as mentioned, the seal must cover the opening flap of the envelope), but there is no need for them to be addressed by your university. You can hand them directly to your school if you want. Bring everything together as one big package. No need to involve university bureaucracy in this.


Interesting. It's hard to get a solid answer from Immigration on anything, but this is what the Mokdong office required from me when I started my current job in February.

Who knows what Immigration requires this week, though? It definitely couldn't hurt to bring some sealed copies of your transcripts with you in case Immigration will accept them. With Immigration the more prepared you are the better.

If you do need to have it sent directly by your uni to your hogwon, it depends on your university, but that doesn't have to take a long time. With a phone call I was able to get my school to FedEx it so it arrived within 3 days. I had to pay for the courier service, but it wasn't particularly difficult.

As for your degree, the only reason not to do it is if getting it notarized by the right Korean embassy is too difficult. For me it would require having my degree in overseas mail twice, so I just use the original and demand it back from the boss ASAP. If you can get notarized copies, that's definitely the safer way.
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