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dreddly
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: help finding protest today (sept 24) |
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Hi,
I just arrived in Seoul and I was wondering if anyone could translate this for me and tell me where this is happening. I missed the anti-war protests yesterday and was hoping to go today.
Thanks
http://antigizi.or.kr/imgs/924march/924march_poster2.jpg
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: 평택
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, this is not an anti-war protest as I can tell. It only concerns the recent expansion of the military base in Pyeongtaek. A village was removed, and that's what this is about.
If you still wanna go for whatever reason, it'll be in front of City Hall (shichung) at 3 pm |
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dreddly
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that. I will still be going, in part because I missed yesterday.
[edit]Thanks again, it was a really good time, more like a festival than a protest, lots of singing, dancing and entertainment, great people, great time. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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You do realize that foreigners (on E2's at least) are not allowed to participate in protests, and that if the cops decide to enforce this rule you will be jailed and deported?
Just checking. |
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dreddly
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it was a friends and family event, there were other westerners there and not much of a police presence. I mean if I was getting involved in violent altercations that would be one thing. Sitting and watching some muscial performances in a public setting desinged for outdoor events is another.
By the way do you know of any official information where this is stated? I know it was the case with some of the APEC events, but was less clear if it was a permanent thing - does it apply to only E2's?. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think it is perhaps a tad rude for you to protest in a foreign nation? You are a guest in Korea. You are supposed to teach English. They didn't import you so you could show off your protesting skills. Or do you just like the sense of community and the smelly hippies?
What was the protest about? A ban of dihydrogen oxide? Now, that is a cause you should get behind. Did you know that dihydrogen oxide is present is all our foods and and detectable in the human body in enormous amounts?
You and your friends should protest that. |
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dreddly
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think it is perhaps a tad rude for you to protest in a foreign nation? You are a guest in Korea. You are supposed to teach English. They didn't import you so you could show off your protesting skills. Or do you just like the sense of community and the smelly hippies?
What was the protest about? A ban of dihydrogen oxide? Now, that is a cause you should get behind. Did you know that dihydrogen oxide is present is all our foods and and detectable in the human body in enormous amounts?
You and your friends should protest that. |
I believe that you should be involved and participate in the communities which you reside. Attending a rally to support a cause that I believe in is what I was doing, if you feel that dihydrongen oxide is a cause that you feel strongly about about, you should do that as well. The last time I checked Korea was a democratic state, and frankly I do like the solidarity and community of like-minded people. If you feel differently fine, but I was simply asking a few questions and commenting on my experience, not demanding that you feel the same way. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| dreddly wrote: |
Well, it was a friends and family event, there were other westerners there and not much of a police presence. I mean if I was getting involved in violent altercations that would be one thing. Sitting and watching some muscial performances in a public setting desinged for outdoor events is another.
By the way do you know of any official information where this is stated? I know it was the case with some of the APEC events, but was less clear if it was a permanent thing - does it apply to only E2's?. |
I'm not sure about other visas. But for E2's definitely...it's part of the "small print" on our visa applications. Granted it seems to be only half-heartedly enforced...but why take chances? Not to mention that the current view of foreigners is negative enough.
That said "Sitting and watching some muscial performance.." would seem to be fine. If you did get hassled you could always plead ignorance that this was a protest.  |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I'm planning a small little educational thingy around City Hall. The people need to know about dihydrogen oxide. Seriously. It is everywhere.
Would you be interested in attending my little rally? It isn't a protest, so, the E2 police can't stop us. Just handing out leaflets etc etc. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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UM wrote:
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You do realize that foreigners (on E2's at least) are not allowed to participate in protests, and that if the cops decide to enforce this rule you will be jailed and deported?
Just checking.
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Urban Myth:
You did well to point that out to Dreddly, as it is something that foreigners should be aware of before making a decision about joining in protests.
Dreddly wrote:
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| The last time I checked Korea was a democratic state |
Yeah, a democratic state where it is illegal to fly the flag of a certain country, and where the government still keeps a list of banned political books(though I think that last one goes largely unenforced, except for books that openly praise the supposed virtues of that one particular country).
Overall, though, I can't really see the courts enforcing the "no foreigners at protests" rule. First of all, it makes little sense from a practical perspective. English-speaking ESLers are unlikely to play any sort of a leadership role in any of the militant left-wing groups, which tend to be heavily nationalistsic, if not outright xenophobic, in their orientation. The vast majority of English-speaking E-2 holders attending such protests would probably just be "along for the ride", so to speak, and barely able even to understand what was being chanted into the megaphones.
Also, while I know Koreans can be stupendously indifferent to the opinions of outsiders, it would still look pretty bad for the country if some fresh-faced kid got off the plane in Vancouver and told the local media that he got jailed and deported by the Korean authorities for attending an otherwise perfectly legal public rally. The attendant bad publicity would likely far outweigh any benefit to Korea's security that came from deporting one kid who marched in a crowd of thousands.
If I had to guess, I would say that the law in question was probably targetted at Japanese citizens of Korean ethnicity, many of whom are pro-NK and have been involved in subversion in South Korea. It was a Zainichi, for example, who tried to assassinate Park Chung Hee(killing Mrs. Park instead) in 1971.
HAVING SAID ALL THIS:
I have never gotten involved in political activism in Korea, and would never do so until I confirmed what exactly my legal liablity could be. |
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