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Svetlana



Joined: 22 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Teaching without a degree. Reply with quote

I have been talking to a guy online who wants to work as an English teacher, but he does not have a degree yet. He does have a TESOL diploma and has worked for 2 years as a volunteer ESL teacher for new immigrants in his country.

So, where in the world can he legally work as teacher, and earn 1000 Euros or more per month?
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell him to try China.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell him to come here.

He'll find many part-time job opportunities and many hogwans are so desperate that they'll hire someone without a degree and give pretty much the same pay/benefits as any college grad.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
Tell him to come here.

He'll find many part-time job opportunities and many hogwans are so desperate that they'll hire someone without a degree and give pretty much the same pay/benefits as any college grad.

But getting busted by Immigration will leave his bank account quite a bit lighter.

I'd tell him to go to Thailand. Monthly wages are lower, but the COL is much lower.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a search for schools that only require a HS diploma and found jobs in;

Kuwait ($2000)
England ($1600)
Italy ($1400)
China ($800, as an example of a low-end job)
Oman ($2100)

And all asked that a person have a HS diploma and flexibility...
I told them I had a Bachelors degree, and some even offered me supervisory roles.

It is all in the way he markets his experience and himself. What will make him stand out among all those with a degree and specialized experience. But he must be very careful about places that hire people with no post-secondary education because they can be very exploitive in the way they treat staff....
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd tell him to come here if he has friends who can help him get an apartment. There are recruiters/schools who will hire him and pay in cash. Unless, of course, he would prefer the Middle East.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
DCJames wrote:
Tell him to come here.

He'll find many part-time job opportunities and many hogwans are so desperate that they'll hire someone without a degree and give pretty much the same pay/benefits as any college grad.

But getting busted by Immigration will leave his bank account quite a bit lighter.

I'd tell him to go to Thailand. Monthly wages are lower, but the COL is much lower.


Many hogwons will work with people without a degree and help them get around immigration. I've seen it happen too many times here.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
Many hogwons will work with people without a degree and help them get around immigration. I've seen it happen too many times here.

Sure, but it is still illegal. You can't just "get around" it forever. One too many tourist visa stamps in your passport and that's all she wrote.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
DCJames wrote:
Many hogwons will work with people without a degree and help them get around immigration. I've seen it happen too many times here.

Sure, but it is still illegal. You can't just "get around" it forever. One too many tourist visa stamps in your passport and that's all she wrote.


I know a guy who taught at a university with a fake degree for 6-7 years.
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Peter Jackson



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: No degree Reply with quote

Although having a degree does not necessarily mean one will be a better teacher, it might be a good idea to NOT break the laws of a foreign country. There are always stories of those who have done it for years without problems but remember: Koreans will USE you. They know not much will happen to them if you get into trouble.

Do you really want to risk the fines, exit order, possible black list entry to teach Koreans? It is getting harder even in Thailand to secure a job without a degree but you should be able to find work there.

Korean immigration officials are often not the nicest folks around...teach illegally at your own risk.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: No degree Reply with quote

Where is the thread about the immigration violators who died in the fire while awaiting deportation??

It is never in anyone's best interest to break the law, ESPECIALLY in a foreign country.
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chachee99



Joined: 20 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul Korea

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadians get a 6 month toursit visa, so I suspect there are many Canuks teaching without a degree at hogwons.
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Peter Jackson



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canadians get a 6 month toursit visa, so I suspect there are many Canuks teaching without a degree at hogwons.


Yeah, some of whom might complain about illegal workers at home...

Teaching in a hagwon illegally is probably not very wise. The better option is to teach privates but this is also illegal. Some will argue that privates SHOULD be legal, but one of the reasons why they're not is that tutoring is a great job for university students to do. I guess if the tables were reversed: would you, as a student back home, be very happy if a bunch of illegal Asians started taking some of the best jobs open to you? You could say that Koreans want the native speaker over the college student but this is only because westerners are available.

In any case, unless the law changes it seems like a good idea for "law abiding" people to not choose the laws they want to ignore (esp in another country).

Good luck
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get deported from South Korea., many countries that have treaties with South Korea will deny entry into their country.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is never in anyone's best interest to break the law, ESPECIALLY in a foreign country.


Sound advice.
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