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chaz47



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: my coteacher is beginning to get to me... Reply with quote

my coteacher is beginning to get to me... this individual should not be teaching English, if anything this individual's presence is a hindrance... do i have any options?

i know i am being vague, i don't want to gripe too much... just trying to make a bad situation better.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:06 am    Post subject: Re: my coteacher is beginning to get to me... Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
my coteacher is beginning to get to me... this individual should not be teaching English, if anything this individual's presence is a hindrance... do i have any options?

i know i am being vague, i don't want to gripe too much... just trying to make a bad situation better.


Maybe your signature has the answer?
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have new co teacher for 2 weeks now. At first it was murder. i had to sit her down after every class and say what I thought she was doing was wrong, and why. (While allowing some room for her new ideas too).My rules are..equality. Equal time spent teaching, nobody interrupts the other, and so on...a partnership.We've finally begun to settle on a good routine now and its looking up nicely.

in your case: how long have you had this co-teacher? if things have been bad for a while then you have a problem. if she's new, then there is hope.
find a way to properly express your opinions without stamping all over her sensibilities. Compromise a bit, but if you have the better plan, make sure she knows what it is and why.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My new middle school co-teacher just copies everything that I do, so it's not really a problem, even though she can't speak English.

For the OP, it all depends on whether the teacher is older or younger, or more or less experienced than you. If younger and less experienced, you can just pull rank. I had a new one at my high school last term (thankfully I teach my better classes solo) and at the beginning of one lesson, when he was busy chatting away with a student about something irrelevant to my lesson, I just clamped down on the both of them, treating him like he was just an annoying student. They were both looking at something she was showing him and they were chatting away in Korean after I had already started, so I just began marching over and said 'put that away and pay attention! It's time to get started!' in my stern-teacher voice. That worked really well to shut him up and he's been careful not to have a repeat of such an incident since.

I have another MS co-teacher who can be a bit annoying sometimes but she's older than me and way more experienced so I wouldn't try something like that (and she is, all in all, a decent teacher). What I find works well to train them is to call them to the front and give them something long to translate (that you've given them well beforehand), even if it's fairly pointless to do so, and while they're explaining show them what the teacher who's not talking should be doing - stand guard at the back, make sure the students are paying attention, immediately confiscate any distractions, and if students try to get your attention motion them shhhh with your finger, point to your ear, and then point towards the teacher to whom they should be paying attention.

No KT has ever taken a course in how to teach with a FT, and some of them can be pretty clueless gits.
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Return Jones



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject: Re: my coteacher is beginning to get to me... Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
...i know i am being vague, i don't want to gripe too much... just trying to make a bad situation better.


A few more details would be helpful. Perhaps, then, we could offer targeted advice. Surprised
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kermo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:


No KT has ever taken a course in how to teach with a FT, and some of them can be pretty clueless gits.


At the beginning of my public school stint, we went through orientation, and were told that the Korean teachers were getting briefed as well. We had demonstrations and tips specific to getting along with co-teachers.
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: my coteacher is beginning to get to me... Reply with quote

Return Jones wrote:
chaz47 wrote:
...i know i am being vague, i don't want to gripe too much... just trying to make a bad situation better.


A few more details would be helpful. Perhaps, then, we could offer targeted advice. Surprised


hmmmm

hopefully without being too petty...

*he works on his own stuff after passing off some activity to the students, right now he is trying to do a word for word interpretation of a high level academic paper in English, he often asks me for help that he doesn't like to absorb
*he makes no attempt at preparation yet tells me about a website i should study and then expresses surprise when i want a copy of the software so i can read the documents at home (because my office printer doesn't work)
*he routinely asks me to correct his English in the middle of class only to ignore my correction and talk over me to the class in his broken, jumbled English
*the first week i was less than a human tape recorder, the second week he told me to follow his lead (something to that extent)
*he grossly underestimates many of the students
*he tells me to leave class early so that he can teach the students "something else"
*he drops my name in sentence after sentence to other teachers at the lunch table and gives me the shrug/head shake when i ask what it is about?
*he told me i was to attend a volleyball game between schools, but not participate (not that i wanted to) as it was a "private game"
*after classes he has told me to go to my room and wait, once he told me explicitly to go there and wait for him... he went across the hall to gossip with a student while i waited... that was the first week, i thought it was about something important... imagine my anxiety...


all in all, he's not comfortable taking a supporting role, he is only a year older than me but has a higher degree... from the get go i knew he didn't like me... he tries to keep it under wraps but it's starting to leak out... i can see a hint of rage when he babbles at me and i cannot fathom what he is saying... when i eventually decode what he said he laughs/barks loudly over pronouncing my correction badly and comically...

i am the first foreigner he has ever met, his prejudices came out several times in "friendly" chats...

i work at another school too, with teachers that have far superior English and they are more than happy to help/support me... of course they are female... this guy just seems like he is trying to compete with me and is really beginning to wear me out...

i just cannot imagine what this guy is going to be like if he actually gets into the Doctoral program he wants...

Rolling Eyes

everybody else is great, the kids and the rest of the staff... i think there are at least 3 other teachers there that would be better coteachers... this guy is a weasel... and a horse's *ss...

ok, that was petty
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Julius



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The basic probem is that they resent you taking charge. Which you need to do in order to keep focussed and on track.

In my opinion koreans are prone to seeing everything as a competition and taking offence easily. You want to avoid a conflict scenario, where they've been offended and then stubbornly stop helping you in any way.

When they've done something stupid i always wait til we're alone later to bring it up and go over it. Works well...
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Julius



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Re: my coteacher is beginning to get to me... Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:

all in all, he's not comfortable taking a supporting role, he is only a year older than me but has a higher degree... from the get go i knew he didn't like me...


Wow..that sounds like a real hassle.

I've only ever had Women co teachers, which is great. I'd hate to work with a Korean guy because they're all ego. You're on their turf and they view you as a threat immediately. they know you don't speak their language and this is their trump card: they will subvert your classes and even other teachers against you etc. Women have the same problems when they work together too.

i think you've let it go too far already...so at this stage you need to either sit him down and calmly explain all the above to him. if theres no improvement, then you have to call a meeting with his superior to express it. Thats your trump card by the way. No underling wants to be brought before a superior for creating any sort of problem.

If its all too late for that, just request a new co-teacher. preferably a woman.
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: my coteacher is beginning to get to me... Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
chaz47 wrote:

all in all, he's not comfortable taking a supporting role, he is only a year older than me but has a higher degree... from the get go i knew he didn't like me...


Wow..that sounds like a real hassle.

I've only ever had Women co teachers, which is great. I'd hate to work with a Korean guy because they're all ego. You're on their turf and they view you as a threat immediately. they know you don't speak their language and this is their trump card: they will subvert your classes and even other teachers against you etc. Women have the same problems when they work together too.

i think you've let it go too far already...so at this stage you need to either sit him down and calmly explain all the above to him. if theres no improvement, then you have to call a meeting with his superior to express it. Thats your trump card by the way. No underling wants to be brought before a superior for creating any sort of problem.

If its all too late for that, just request a new co-teacher. preferably a woman.


It's a small school, that makes this more difficult. The most viable candidate for a replacement is an assistant science teacher. She is his assistant science teacher... her English is weak but she is patient and sweet.

She is only an assistant teacher (BA) at the school though, would this prevent her from being my coteacher? What's the best way to go about asking for a swap?

I only teach 6 hours a week with him, 8 if teacher training is included but it's getting maddening. She already helps me with the "afterschool lessons"... four of those too.


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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you don't want to hear this, but I thank my lucky stars I have good Korean teachers. Yes, many of them can't speak English well, but they get along with me.

I've heard some stories similar to yours from other foreign teachers in Incheon. YBS is right, most of the KT are not trained to work with foreign teachers. Some of it is that the KT are afraid of making mistakes in front of a foreign teacher and either a) getting corrected or b) looking stupid. I also think some of the teachers might be getting forced into co-teaching English, when that's not what they want to do (this is based on something I heard at our orientation).

It's not a perfect system that's for sure.

You might try to sit down and negociate something outside of class with the teacher (if they speak English well enough to communicate with you).

Also realize next March, things might change (I'm not sure when your contract is up) because it's the beginning of a new school year. My understanding is that teachers rotate every 3 or 4 years. The prinicipals also have a say in which of the KT teach English.

I hope that helps a bit.
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inspector gadget



Joined: 11 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two korean co teachers, one speaks excellent english, the other..... well she sucks at english. Every time she asks me a question I have to ask her to repeat it three or four times before my brain works like a savage to try and figure out what she is saying.

I teach about 8 (non english) korean teachers at my school four times a week, she was told by the VP she shouldn't join the group. Lately she has been squeezing her way into the lessons and I think she is not happy she has done so. Half of the other teachers I teach speak much better than she does and I think she has noticed and is embarresed.

I would say that at least 15-20 of my middle school students speak better english than she does. It boggles my mind how some of these teachers can be hired as an english teacher when they have no idea at all how to speak the language.

The other korean english teacher is awesome we have a reat relationship and I speak to her as she is a native speaker but I still teach all of my classes solo and have done so since the third week after I arrived.

Consider teaching solo if its possible.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

inspector gadget wrote:
It boggles my mind how some of these teachers can be hired as an english teacher when they have no idea at all how to speak the language.


Yeah I also have to wonder how some of these KT teaching English when their ablity to communicate in the language is so poor.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much tell the school how things should be done.
You have to take charge of a bad situation. Analyze it to find the problem, then remove the problem. the soulution isn't always pretty, but it's a better situation.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChopChaeJoe wrote:
I pretty much tell the school how things should be done.
You have to take charge of a bad situation. Analyze it to find the problem, then remove the problem. the soulution isn't always pretty, but it's a better situation.


Foreigners are basically holding the korean education system together.

We get portrayed as perverted losers by the media, in return. Wink
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