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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: Slavery and rape "basic Muslim behaviours" |
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Sometimes I just love how honest they are...
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CENTENNIAL - Sniffles and sobs resonated in a packed courtroom Thursday as a Saudi man convicted of sexually assaulting his Indonesian housekeeper was sentenced Thursday to 20 years to life in prison.
Homaidan Al-Turki, 37, was also ordered to serve eight additional years for theft charges.
He denied in Arapahoe County District Court that he enslaved the woman and said authorities targeted him because of his religion.
�Your honor, I am not here to apologize, for I cannot apologize for things I did not do and for crimes I did not commit,� he told Judge Mark Hannen. �The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors. Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution,� he said. |
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4960559,00.html |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| He's trying to be acquitted. If impugning Islam in some way gets him off, mission accomplished. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, that must be it.
It simply CANNOT be that what is said about Islam can be true, eh?
What would it take for people to believe him? Would he actually HAVE to enslave and rape a woman and then defend his actions as Islamic? Oh, wait...
And if his lawyer thought that crying culture was going to get him off, well, then he had a really, really shi$$y lawyer. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Wait until the Aryan Brotherhood gets ahold of this guy in the state pen. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Yup, that must be it.
It simply CANNOT be that what is said about Islam can be true, eh?
What would it take for people to believe him? Would he actually HAVE to enslave and rape a woman and then defend his actions as Islamic? Oh, wait...
And if his lawyer thought that crying culture was going to get him off, well, then he had a really, really shi$$y lawyer. |
Shee-it, thanks for the heads up, now to go get me some rapin and slaves. Best inform all the male relatives too, they'll no doubt be equally pleased.  |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: Re: Slavery and rape "basic Muslim behaviours" |
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| BJWD wrote: |
Sometimes I just love how honest they are...
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CENTENNIAL - Sniffles and sobs resonated in a packed courtroom Thursday as a Saudi man convicted of sexually assaulting his Indonesian housekeeper was sentenced Thursday to 20 years to life in prison.
Homaidan Al-Turki, 37, was also ordered to serve eight additional years for theft charges.
He denied in Arapahoe County District Court that he enslaved the woman and said authorities targeted him because of his religion.
�Your honor, I am not here to apologize, for I cannot apologize for things I did not do and for crimes I did not commit,� he told Judge Mark Hannen. �The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors. Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution,� he said. |
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4960559,00.html |
What one guy says and does constitutes a very limited sample size. To draw the conclusion that this is basic behaviour based on a religion makes a few assumptions.
a) Religion was the only factor in the development of this behaviour.
b) That this one man is somehow representative of an entire civilisation.
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c) That there is honesty to be had from a raping exploiter facing life in prison.
This is an incredibly irrational implication, and one made without any reasonable standard of evidence. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| I can sadly say he is a common type amongst Saudi Males who employ Indonesian maids. If you go to Indo, you can watch, as I did last time, any one of a number of documentries featuring former maids who've been beaten, raped, abused etc. Its not just restricted to the Gulf though, there are enough testimonials about documenting similar treatment of maids in Hong Kong and Singapore. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| I can sadly say he is a common type amongst Saudi Males who employ Indonesian maids. If you go to Indo, you can watch, as I did last time, any one of a number of documentries featuring former maids who've been beaten, raped, abused etc. Its not just restricted to the Gulf though, there are enough testimonials about documenting similar treatment of maids in Hong Kong and Singapore. |
I've heard similar stories about Saudis as well - perhaps the OP should be making claims about rich, Saudi arseholes, who are muslims, instead of implying; muslim = rapist/ slave holder. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| I can sadly say he is a common type amongst Saudi Males who employ Indonesian maids. If you go to Indo, you can watch, as I did last time, any one of a number of documentries featuring former maids who've been beaten, raped, abused etc. Its not just restricted to the Gulf though, there are enough testimonials about documenting similar treatment of maids in Hong Kong and Singapore. |
I've heard similar stories about Saudis as well - perhaps the OP should be making claims about rich, Saudi arseholes, who are muslims, instead of implying; muslim = rapist/ slave holder. |
I'm the last to assign a state of mind to an entire group, but in this ONE instance the perp DID state that his actions were religious in nature, i.e., his actions were in line with his religious beliefs, did he not? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:48 am Post subject: |
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yes, islam is evil. let's abolish it.
seriously, what is the point of threads like this? what effect do you plan on having? Who isn't aware of barbarians in our midst? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| According to an FBI Behavioral Unit study serial killing has almost climbed to an epidemic proportion. Up to 85% of the world's serial killers are in America. At any given time, 20 - 50 unidentified active serial killers continually change their targets, and methods. There may be up to 5,000 victims every year. Serial killers are invariably white, male, Christian and between 20 to 50 years of age. |
I think that the rest of the world should be very defensive about America exporting this ........... they are all killers. Look at your neighbour, he might have chopped up bodies in his freezer? Be careful, you might be next! They are all crazed, sly, devious, appearing so normal and 9-5 , going to church but then at night, on holiday, stalking, snatching the weak.....
The rest of the world should fight this menace, tooth and claw!!!
Oh my god, murderers and deviants! Christian too....and let's not forget how many beat up their women! Horrid! The infidels!!!!
NONSENSE, ALL THIS, YOU ARE ALL SIMPLETONS WRITING THIS KIND OF GOOK -- CHANGE AND THE FIRST STEP IS TURNING OFF THE MACHINE (CNN, TIME, NEWSWEEK, AFN, ) AND LOOK AT YOURSELF, HONESTLY.
DD |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Indonesia executes Christian millitants
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| Fabianus Tibo, 60, Marinus Riwu, 48, and Dominggus da Silva, 42, were found guilty of leading a Christian militia that launched a series of attacks in May 2000 � including a machete and gun assault on an Islamic school where dozens of men were seeking shelter. |
Evil christianity strikes again! And this is in a muslim majority country! Imagine what those christians will do when THEY'RE the majority! AHHHH |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| happeningthang wrote: |
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| I can sadly say he is a common type amongst Saudi Males who employ Indonesian maids. If you go to Indo, you can watch, as I did last time, any one of a number of documentries featuring former maids who've been beaten, raped, abused etc. Its not just restricted to the Gulf though, there are enough testimonials about documenting similar treatment of maids in Hong Kong and Singapore. |
I've heard similar stories about Saudis as well - perhaps the OP should be making claims about rich, Saudi arseholes, who are muslims, instead of implying; muslim = rapist/ slave holder. |
I'm the last to assign a state of mind to an entire group, but in this ONE instance the perp DID state that his actions were religious in nature, i.e., his actions were in line with his religious beliefs, did he not? |
Not trying to say otherwise, I'm just questioning what it is that it proves. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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It simply CANNOT be that what is said about Islam can be true, eh?
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Based on this, and what is said and inferred by the likes of you, no.
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| What would it take for people to believe him? . |
Believe what? That he's a sicko? Or that all Muslims are bad? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Slavery is a permissible action in Islam.
From the Quaran,
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."
70:30 - ": Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed
If any of you defending islam want to actually read the quran, you can find it online. It won't take too much time.
And beside that, women in islam are no more free than North Koreans rotting in jail in KimLand (though the muzzies are likely better fed). Islam enslaves women. The veil and burka are means of maintaining a monopoly of ownership over women.
But even if it were the case that every muslim in the world had 10 purple slaves, the Western Left would still deny deny deny.
This man does something, something that is very common in his culture, something that his religious book permits, and says he did it because his culture and religion permit it and the reaction from many is NO HE DIDN'T.
If he had tried to make peace with a Jew and said "my religion demands it", which is does not, then the same people would be going on and on about how islam actually IS peaceful!
You are all looking at patterns of behaviour as isolated evidence because you simply cannot accept that a religion (other than Christianity) is causing millions and millions of people to do bad things. |
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