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Adventurer

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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: Family friend: Amish girl asked to be shot to save others |
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Family friend: Amish girl asked to be shot to save others
POSTED: 0102 GMT (0902 HKT), October 6, 2006
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PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (Reuters) -- One of the girls who died in Pennsylvania's Amish schoolhouse massacre asked the killer to shoot her first in an apparent bid to save the younger girls, a woman who spoke to the victim's family said Friday.
Rita Rhoads, a nurse-midwife who delivered 13-year-old Marian Fisher as well as another victim, said Fisher appealed to Charles Carl Roberts IV to shoot her first because she thought it might allow younger girls to survive.
Rhoads said she did not know whether Fisher in fact was shot first. Roberts shot 10 girls ages 6 to 13, killing five of them and then himself in Monday's rampage. (Watch "shocked and sad" Amish express forgiveness -- 2:46)
Fisher's 11-year-old sister, Barbie, appealed to Roberts to shoot her next, Rhoads said. Barbie survived and was in Children's Hospital of Philadelphia recovering from shoulder, hand and leg injuries.
"Barbie has been talking and she said Marian said, 'Shoot me first,"' Rhoads said. "Apparently what she was trying to do was to save the younger girls."
Barbie, who attended her sister's funeral Thursday before returning to the hospital, gave details of her ordeal to relatives including her grandfather, who told Rhoads, the midwife said in a telephone interview.
"It was very courageous of the girls to offer themselves," Rhoads said. "God was really present to give the girls that kind of courage."
Pennsylvania state police were not immediately available for comment.
Roberts, 32, a local non-Amish milk truck driver, attacked the one-room schoolhouse at Nickel Mines, a farming community in Lancaster County about 60 miles west of Philadelphia.
He allowed boys and adults to leave and then tied the legs of the girls before shooting them, police said.
Four of the girls including Marian Fisher were buried Thursday and a fifth funeral was being buried Friday.
The Amish, descendants of Swiss-German settlers, are a traditionalist Christian denomination who place particular importance on the Gospel message of forgiveness. They believe in nonviolence, simple living and little contact with the modern world.
Copyright 2006 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
[Though I don't approve of the Amish's life style, they are some of the best Christians around. I also think the same of the Mennonites. I think the news should report about this. People need to learn from the nobility of these people.] |
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Big_Bird

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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Family friend: Amish girl asked to be shot to save other |
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[Though I don't approve of the Amish's life style, they are some of the best Christians around. I also think the same of the Mennonites. I think the news should report about this. People need to learn from the nobility of these people.] |
I like their philosophy - it seems very gentle, and very much in line with what I imagine Jesus originally intended. |
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ChuckECheese

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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Family friend: Amish girl asked to be shot to save other |
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Big_Bird wrote: |
Adventurer wrote: |
[Though I don't approve of the Amish's life style, they are some of the best Christians around. I also think the same of the Mennonites. I think the news should report about this. People need to learn from the nobility of these people.] |
I like their philosophy - it seems very gentle, and very much in line with what I imagine Jesus originally intended. |
Although Amish people don't need anyone's approval of their life style, AMEN! |
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Published on Friday, October 6, 2006 by CommonDreams.org
What the Amish are Teaching America
by Sally Kohn
On October 2, Charles Carl Roberts entered a one-room schoolhouse in the Amish community of Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania. He lined up eleven young girls from the class and shot them each at point blank range. The gruesome depths of this crime are hard for any community to grasp, but certainly for the Amish � who live such a secluded and peaceful life, removed even from the everyday depictions of violence on TV. When the Amish were suddenly pierced by violence, how did they respond?
The evening of the shooting, Amish neighbors from the Nickel Mines community gathered to process their grief with each other and mental health counselors. As of that evening, three little girls were dead. Eight were hospitalized in critical condition. (One more girl has died since.) According to reports by counselors who attended the grief session, the Amish family members grappled with a number of questions: Do we send our kids to school tomorrow? What if they want to sleep in our beds tonight, is that okay? But one question they asked might surprise us outsiders. What, they wondered, can we do to help the family of the shooter? Plans were already underway for a horse-and-buggy caravan to visit Charles Carl Roberts� family with offers of food and condolences. The Amish, it seems, don�t automatically translate their grieving into revenge. Rather, they believe in redemption.
Meanwhile, the United States culture from which the Amish are isolated is moving in the other direction � increasingly exacting revenge for crimes and punishing violence with more violence. In 26 states and at the federal level, there are �three strikes� laws in place. Conviction for three felonies in a row now warrants a life sentence, even for the most minor crimes. For instance, Leandro Andrade is serving a life sentence, his final crime involving the theft of nine children�s videos � including �Cinderella� and �Free Willy� � from a Kmart. Similarly, in many states and at the federal level, possession of even small amounts of drugs trigger mandatory minimum sentences of extreme duration. In New York, Elaine Bartlett was just released from prison, serving a 20-year sentence for possessing only four ounces of cocaine. This is in addition to the 60 people who were executed in the United States in 2005, among the more than a thousand killed since the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976. And the President of the United States is still actively seeking authority to torture and abuse alleged terrorists, whom he consistently dehumanizes as rats to be �smoked from their holes�, even without evidence of their guilt.
Our patterns of punishment and revenge are fundamentally at odds with the deeper values of common humanity that the tragic experience of the Amish are helping to reveal. Each of us is more than the worst thing we�ve ever done in life. Someone who cheats is not only a cheater. Someone who steals something is not only a thief. And someone who commits a murder is not only a murderer. The same is true of Charles Carl Roberts. We don�t yet know the details of the episode in his past for which, in his suicide note, he said he was seeking revenge. It may be a sad and sympathetic tale. It may not. Either way, there�s no excusing his actions. Whatever happened to Roberts in the past, taking the lives of others is never justified. But nothing Roberts has done changes the fact that he was a human being, like all of us. We all make mistakes. Roberts� were considerably and egregiously larger than most. But the Amish in Nickel Mines seem to have been able to see past Roberts� actions and recognize his humanity, sympathize with his family for their loss, and move forward with compassion not vengeful hate.
We�ve come to think that �an eye for an eye� is a natural, human reaction to violence. The Amish, who live a truly natural life apart from the influences of our violence-infused culture, are proving otherwise. If, as Gandhi said, �an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind,� then the Amish are providing the rest of us with an eye-opening lesson.
Sally Kohn is Director of the Movement Vision Project at the Center for Community Change and author of a forthcoming book on the progressive vision for the future of the United States. |
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