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[sundubuman]

It seems like this forum is filled with desperate attempts to somehow make Christianity the equal of Islam, in terms of its ability to generate fanaticism
hate
and...(reality check)
suicide bombings????


Playing the moral equivalancy game only will get you to about the year 1400....give or take a century...


Meanwhile, the rest of us are living in 2006......where


tens of millions of Muslims (yes I know they are a MINORITY OF MUSLIMS)......feel that the ENTIRE PLANET should be Muslim and support ANY AND ALL MEANS to bring about such a historical conclusion.

And frankly typing, that is tens of millions of people TOO MANY for me to deal with.

I wonder how you apologists feel we should deal with these folks........and furthemore how would you have reacted had this year been 1489?

Would you have supported the (minority led) Inquisition....or fought it with every cell of your being for religious and political freedom.

Seems to me that those brave enough to fight Islamic Facism today are the same type that would have stood up to Christian Facism in the past.....



just a thought...

[jaebea]

So what's the difference between the minority of Muslims who are off kilter, and the minority of Christians carrying "God Hates Fags" placards and bombing abortion clinics?

Your average Ahmed in the Middle East isn't concerned with us Western infidels. I'm sure that just like you and I, he's more concerned with the daily tribulations of work, feeding his family, while the teachings of his faith shape and direct his moral fibre and social compass, he uses them as a guide more than the hard and fast rules in an absolute interpretation of his Scripture.

Consider what we see in the press today.

If intelligent alien lifeforms tapped into our mainstream media, RIGHT NOW, they would think that all Islamic people are hell-bent on the destruction or subjugation of a large proportion of the population.

Think about what they would see all Christians as.

Admittedly, I'm coming from a fairly left perspective, but that's exactly the point. As much as the hard-core Christians think they're absolutely correct in their views regarding gay rights and abortion, radical Islamists are also similarly convinced that the West is the root of all evil.

I've tried to avoid looking like an apologist, but I think I've failed. :D

jae.

[sundubuman]

can't be bothered to respond to your ?'s.....they are yours to answer...


instead I bring you an email from a South African friend of mine.......whose family STAUNCHLY fought apartheid.......the truth shall set us all free....



For those who don't know, Dennis Miller is a comedian
who has a show called Dennis Miller Live on HBO.
He is not Jewish.
He recently said the following about the Mideast situation:
"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don't get it,
I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need.
Here we go:
The Palestinians want their own country.
There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians.
It's a made up word.
Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years.
Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient
but is really a modern invention
Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war,
Gaza was owned by Egypt, the West Bank was owned by Jordan,
and there were no "Palestinians."
As soon as the Jews took over and started growing
oranges as big as basketballs,
what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians,"
weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."
So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian"
anymore to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy
at our deaths, until someone points out they're being taped.
Instead, let's call them what they are:
"Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life
And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In
The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."
I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN.
How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."
Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country.
Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't.
They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years,
especially two years ago at Camp David
but if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights
and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse,
you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.
That's no fun. No, they want what all the other
Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel.
They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course --
that's where the real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel.
Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity"
as their textbooks call it --
for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries
to divert the attention of their own people
away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate,
poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth,
and if you've ever been around God's Earth . . you know
that's really saying something.
It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic
about the great history and culture of the Muslim Midleast.
Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the
world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that
one.
Chew this around & spit it out: 500 million Arabs; 5 million Jews.
Think of all the Arab countries as a football field,
and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it.
And now these same folks swear that, if Israel gives them
half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals..
Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to
obliterate the tiny country and the constant din
of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea?
Oh, that? We were just kidding.
My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day:
Just reverse the Numbers.
Imagine 500 million Jews and 5 million Arabs.
I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it .
Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades
and dynamite to themselves? Of course not.
Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations
to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense.
Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible.
Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their
bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.
No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace,
the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.
Mr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that,
with vital operations in Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as
Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible,
and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a roomful of
super models who've just had their drugs taken away.
However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger
of losing moral weight. We've already lost some.
After September 11th, our president told us and the world he was going
to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them.
Beautiful.
Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of
an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day),
start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.
If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day,
we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration
to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean
and east of the Jordan.

[jaebea]

Actually attributed to Larry Miller.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overview.asp

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/161yaihr.asp

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[Ya-ta Boy]

The phrase 'moral equivalency' got me thinking about this:

[ddeubel]

[ddeubel]

[Junior]

The difference is.. that the few relatively harmless and insignificant examples of christian extremism are contrary to what Jesus taught, and condemned by the overwhelming body of Christians. the offendors are prosecuted.

However, the widespread and devastating extremism in islam is directly in line with what Muhammad orders. And no muslim dares to condemn it.

[thepeel]

It amazes me that when a muslim goes on a killing rampage the Left immediately starts talking about Christian violence from the past. As if that is an excuse.

(dude) "Bob killed his wife last night. Isn't that horrible?"

(Lefty) "Well, the great-great-great uncle of his wife once killed too, so..".

There is no point in comparing Christianity of the past with the islam of today, except when talking about how Christianity lost most of her cultural power in the West. Using the 'death of god' from before and applying the lessons learned to today.

So, did Christianity loose her cultural power due to people apologizing for her actions? I suppose that is the most important question.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[thepeel]

Ok, fair enough. I will go and add your ideas.

1) Muslims go on a(nother) killing rampage.

2) "Right Wingers" point out a startling pattern of behaviour and question polices of immigration and multiculturalism.

3) Lefties use the "well Christians were once bad too" argument.

4) "Right Wingers" point out that that isn't exactly relevant.

5) Lefties call "Right "Wingers" racists and Nazis etc.

6) Muslims go on a(nother) killing rampage.

Now, the difference is that prior to 9/11 most people in the West did agree with notions of multiculturalism and how ethnic ghettos added a vibrancy to our cities etc. Now, every time a muslim kills for islam, and says he kills for islam, more people fall solidly into my camp. muslims are destroying multiculturalism and many lives too. "Right Wingers" (of which I am not) have been saying this would happen for years.

We, meaning those are aren't multiCULT lefties, are the ultimate winners in this whole sad and pathetic game of cultural roulette, and the ultimate losers will be the muslims themselves as it is they who will suffer the most from this whole predictable and unnecessary process. They have been invited into nations whose people fundamentally do not want them there. They have been encouraged to settle in nations who will eventually kick them out.

Those of you who are on the left, well, you know that I am correct. They are killing your idea but because of the rigidities of your idea, you are not permitted to criticise them for fear of being lumped in with me. Ain't irony grand!

It is only a matter of time, likely the same amount of time between now and the next major terrorist attack, before we can watch the violent death of multiCULT and the beginning of a return of muslims to muslim lands.

This all could have been avoided, but can no longer be avoided. Sometimes things just are what they are, and there is no point in pretending otherwise.

[nasigoreng]

[jaebea]