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brento1138
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 Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: China says NK's bad behavior won't help them |
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BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- North Korea may bring the date of a planned nuclear test forward after a contentious remark by China's U.N. ambassador angered generals in the reclusive country, a source with close ties to Pyongyang said on Sunday.
U.S. envoy John Bolton said last week that while Britain, France and Japan had made clear a strong statement was needed to warn Pyongyang against testing, he was not certain "what North Korea's protectors on the (U.N. Security) Council are going to do".
In response, Chinese Ambassador Wang Guangya said: "I'm not sure which country he is referring to, but I think that for bad behavior in this world no one is going to protect them."
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I guess this means China is getting a bit tired of NK's insanity.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/08/nkorea.tests.reut/index.html |
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Milwaukiedave
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Brento,
Good information there that you stumbled on to. I personally don't like Bolton, but it seems like he made that statement on purpose to see if China would call his bluff. China certainly did call his bluff, by stating they too will not tolerate NK if they go forward with a nuclear test. I think the author of the article is correct in that it probably will make NK mad (however we don't know if China has said something diffrent in private).
For everyone's sake, I hope NK isn't going to go forward with the test, but somehow it wouldn't suprise me if they did. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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For everyone's sake, I hope NK isn't going to go forward with the test, but somehow it wouldn't suprise me if they did. |
Well, the days almost over and they still haven't tested the nuke. Now they're saying they will hold off if the US holds bilateral talks... for the 187th time.
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| SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea informed China it may drop its plan to test its first atomic bomb if the United States holds bilateral talks with the communist country, a former South Korean lawmaker said Sunday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/08/nkorea.tests.ap/index.html |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| brento1138 wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
For everyone's sake, I hope NK isn't going to go forward with the test, but somehow it wouldn't suprise me if they did. |
Well, the days almost over and they still haven't tested the nuke. Now they're saying they will hold off if the US holds bilateral talks... for the 187th time.
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| SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea informed China it may drop its plan to test its first atomic bomb if the United States holds bilateral talks with the communist country, a former South Korean lawmaker said Sunday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/08/nkorea.tests.ap/index.html |
I dont get this. We HAVE held bilateral talks with NK before. The only thing we didn't do is hold direct talks.
But several bilateral discussions were held as a part of the six party talks. You know, the ones the NKs walked out of. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: Re: China says NK's bad behavior won't help them |
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| brento1138 wrote: |
I guess this means China is getting a bit tired of NK's insanity. |
I coulda told you that. China is busting it's hump to become a major world player. They've gotten quite addicted to all that western investment money. Some nut-job in coke-bottle glasses waving nukes around makes everyone nervous and when people are nervous they don't spend money.
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vexed
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: Re: China says NK's bad behavior won't help them |
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when people are nervous they don't spend money.
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I disagree. I think a 'Culture of Fear' has been cultivated over the last few years which helps feeds commercialism. When people are scared, they panic buy. Just look at Y2K... hoards of people buying out supermarkets because they feared the apocalypse.
The whole NK thing is just another tool for forcing the masses to buy more.
Anyone for a nuclear bunker? 2 for 1 at Wal-Mart (the extra one is for your accumulation of material possessions  ) |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: China says NK's bad behavior won't help them |
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| vexed wrote: |
| AbbeFaria wrote: |
when people are nervous they don't spend money.
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I disagree. I think a 'Culture of Fear' has been cultivated over the last few years which helps feeds commercialism. When people are scared, they panic buy. Just look at Y2K... hoards of people buying out supermarkets because they feared the apocalypse.
The whole NK thing is just another tool for forcing the masses to buy more.
Anyone for a nuclear bunker? 2 for 1 at Wal-Mart (the extra one is for your accumulation of material possessions ) |
Of course people panic buy but the question is does that contribute to long term purchases and investments in growth? Putting money in a mutual fund for your future is far better for the economy than buying a gun. A gun sits there and does no work, does not make the economy more efficient.
I think most rational people view stability and peace as more conducive to the flow of money. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: China says NK's bad behavior won't help them |
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| AbbeFaria wrote: |
| brento1138 wrote: |
I guess this means China is getting a bit tired of NK's insanity. |
I coulda told you that. China is busting it's hump to become a major world player. They've gotten quite addicted to all that western investment money. Some nut-job in coke-bottle glasses waving nukes around makes everyone nervous and when people are nervous they don't spend money.
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It's a fine game China has to play. If it can't keep a vassal state under control, how can it play on the world stage? However, a slightly threatening North Korea keeps economic competitors like Japan, South Korea, and the USA tying down parts of their economy on defense spending. Defense spending contributes little a nation's long term growth and infrastructure. A tank does no work for the economy. A subway car does. |
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vexed
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: China says NK's bad behavior won't help them |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Of course people panic buy but the question is does that contribute to long term purchases and investments in growth? Putting money in a mutual fund for your future is far better for the economy than buying a gun. A gun sits there and does no work, does not make the economy more efficient.
I think most rational people view stability and peace as more conducive to the flow of money. |
I dunno, there's a great deal of comfort buying or 'solace in shopping' that emerges during times of instability. Surely, this can substitute for long term investment, seeing as the Western hasn't been stable for decades. |
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