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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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 Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: Where do we go after the NK nuke test? |
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| OK, we are sitting here waiting for the biggest subterranean fireworks show the peninsula has ever seen. Bolton has made the argument for preventative diplomacy, but apart from some strong words from the US, Japan and China, there seems to be little happening in the way of constructive face-to-face talks right now. Lets take the next step and say that the North does go ahead with the test. What are the policy options then? Do you forsee military action, a blocade, or more jaw-jaw and less war-war? |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Where do we go after the NK nuke test? |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| ... or more jaw-jaw and less war-war? |
How about more Jar-Jar?
Yee-HAW! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: |
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A few years ago, when tensions were high, I went to the local US navy base and asked what we civilians should do in case of an attack and an evacuation.
Had a nice chat with the CPO at the gate. He told me who to contact.
The most eyebrow raising comment was, "Maple leafs to the back of the line". I never could figure out if he was joking.
If people are seriously worried about this situation, it wouldn't hurt to drop by the local US base and ask about evacuation plans. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
A few years ago, when tensions were high, I went to the local US navy base and asked what we civilians should do in case of an attack and an evacuation.
Had a nice chat with the CPO at the gate. He told me who to contact.
The most eyebrow raising comment was, "Maple leafs to the back of the line". I never could figure out if he was joking.
If people are seriously worried about this situation, it wouldn't hurt to drop by the local US base and ask about evacuation plans. |
He was not joking. If you are Canadian, why would you go to a US army base and ask what to do? Why not ask your own government? Or do you think the US has some responsibilty to help you in this instance? |
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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
A few years ago, when tensions were high, I went to the local US navy base and asked what we civilians should do in case of an attack and an evacuation.
Had a nice chat with the CPO at the gate. He told me who to contact.
The most eyebrow raising comment was, "Maple leafs to the back of the line". I never could figure out if he was joking.
If people are seriously worried about this situation, it wouldn't hurt to drop by the local US base and ask about evacuation plans. |
I guess you'll have to go find the Canadian military base, if you can find one in Korea. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Did you see the interview with kim Dae Jung?
he said that the NK relationship was far better under the Clinton administration. By contrast Bush has neglected any sort of dialogue with KJI, resulting in the reckless desperate attention grabbing exercises you see now.
In his words... Nk relies on dialogue with the US for their continued survival and independence from China. they crave it. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Did you see the interview with kim Dae Jung?
he said that the NK relationship was far better under the Clinton administration. By contrast Bush has neglected any sort of dialogue with KJI, resulting in the reckless desperate attention grabbing exercises you see now.
In his words... Nk relies on dialogue with the US for their continued survival and independence from China. they crave it. |
So? All Clinton did was turn a blind eye to there illicit activities, and then sign off on a deal the NKs promptly broke. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
So? All Clinton did was turn a blind eye to there illicit activities, and then sign off on a deal the NKs promptly broke. |
All the same there was a cosier relationship. madeliene allbright and the clinton admin. were close with Kim j.
From a south Korean point of view they are extremely nervous that this has broken down...It could be that the norks have finally run out of options. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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nothing is going to happen if the north does the test, they wouldnt dare do something to south korea
if I was in Japan yeah I might be A LITTLE worried their rhetoric towards them is far worse
if the test happens though US wont respond militarily, they dont have the resources to
if you want to know what americans should do in case of an evac, go to www.askthecounsul.org (or something like that) the US Embassy has a website with all the info.
Canadians??? put you head between your legs and... (just kidding, you'll get out but after us yanks) |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
So? All Clinton did was turn a blind eye to there illicit activities, and then sign off on a deal the NKs promptly broke. |
All the same there was a cosier relationship. madeliene allbright and the clinton admin. were close with Kim j.
From a south Korean point of view they are extremely nervous that this has broken down...It could be that the norks have finally run out of options. |
Well lets look at it this way. If NK tests their bomb, and are sanctioned, what will they have left to threaten to do?
Theyve threatened ad done everything invovled in a nuke program, but the testing is the final phase of any nuke program. After this, there is nothing left, nuke wise, for the NKs to threaten to do. Now what?
I still think we need to crush NK, and liberate the poor souls who are living out hellish lives there. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| He was not joking. If you are Canadian, why would you go to a US army base and ask what to do? Why not ask your own government? Or do you think the US has some responsibilty to help you in this instance? |
I guess when Canada rescued the seven American embassy workers in 1978 when Iran stormed the gates we shoulda just told them to flake off. I mean really!!! What responsibility did we have...the nerve of them for being our allies and all.
Poet |
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flint
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| ThePoet wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| He was not joking. If you are Canadian, why would you go to a US army base and ask what to do? Why not ask your own government? Or do you think the US has some responsibilty to help you in this instance? |
I guess when Canada rescued the seven American embassy workers in 1978 when Iran stormed the gates we shoulda just told them to flake off. I mean really!!! What responsibility did we have...the nerve of them for being our allies and all.
Poet |
What you say is true, Canada could have said you aren't our responsibility to those US citizens and didn't. By helping they did the right thing. However, a Canadian would be best served by contacting their embassy FIRST to see if there is any evacuation plan before running to the embassy or military of another country. Just as an Aussie should check with their Embassy first. And so on...and so on. Colour me crazy but it would make sense that someone checks with their own country first, no? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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I had a speaker in Junior High who was a Canadian in Rwanda during the beginning of the war and he told us if your ever in trouble abroad go to the Americans for safety first instead of waiting for the Canadians to help you.
Canada just doesn't have the presence internationally to take care of its citizens in these cases. |
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flint
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
I had a speaker in Junior High who was a Canadian in Rwanda during the beginning of the war and he told us if your ever in trouble abroad go to the Americans for safety first instead of waiting for the Canadians to help you.
Canada just doesn't have the presence internationally to take care of its citizens in these cases. |
Rwanada was a whole different kettle of Fish. The soldiers there were working under the auspices of the UN and pretty much had their hands tied by the stupidity of the bureaucracy. From what I can remember of it they did get the foreign nationals out, they just failed to assist the locals and stood by while the genocide went on.
Most embassies in places like South Korea (chance of the crap hitting the fan) have some sort of escape plan in place. You have to contact them so they know who you are and they tell you the rally points to go to so you can get out. I registered with my embassy.
Mind you the debacle Canada suffered in Lebanon this year wouldn't give me a whole lot of belief in their ability to get Canadians out.
I have no doubt that the US would help out Canadian nationals, and probably others too. However, I can understand them taking care of their own first. That is part of their job. |
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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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If hell broke loose in Korea and in case of dire emergency, I am certain that American embassy and its forces would take in any foreign nationals who are allies to the U.S. Except Koreans though. However, as many have said already, American citizens come first.
And yes, we'll take BB and her son too.  |
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