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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: The North Korean Conspiracy Theory |
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Let's get this one rolling...
"GWB supplied KJL with a small nuclear weapon to scare the American people right before the mid-terms. Foley and Allen were intentionally outed just before the test took place. They are now pushed to the second page of the newspaper and the GOP can return to their fear mongering to gain re-election."
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| Even as much as I dislike Bush (and trust me I do) I don't buy it. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| China and russia have an alliance to attack the US with nukes, once they have lured America into enough foreign conflicts. Eventually their chance for a nuclear assault followed by a ground invasion will come when there are no troops left at home to protect American soil. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, maybe it's time some of you guys call the National Enquirer so you can sell your stories to them. They are about as good as the stuff printed in those magazines considering they fall under the category of fictional, but entertaining. |
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Here's a better one, versions of which have been kicking around all day:
What would be technologically easier, and cheaper for the madman on a budget:
A. refining uranium or plutonium to such a purity and with such precision that a sufficient quantity can be produced for a nuclear arsenal, and then produce and explode a device Manhattan Project-style, all to blackmail other countries who believe you're in the nuclear club
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B. Under cover of darkness over a period of months, load up the inside of some mountain with 400 tons of ordinary high explosives, chusok fireworks, This Plus cigarettes and soju, to produce a big bang like the one that happened two years ago when that train exploded (practice run?) - all to blackmail other countries who believe you're in the nuclear club
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Lemon,
I don't know about the cigaretts, soju and fireworks, but that is possible.
We'll have to wait to see if any radioactivity was measured from the blast first. Bluffing wouldn't be below him though. |
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Lemon,
I don't know about the cigaretts, soju and fireworks, but that is possible.
We'll have to wait to see if any radioactivity was measured from the blast first. Bluffing wouldn't be below him though. |
Ok, so they added some old smoke detectors, microwave ovens and kimchi fridges to the cave. Boom! Radiation. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| They are now pushed to the second page of the newspaper and the GOP can return to their fear mongering to gain re-election." |
I did start a thread on the possibility of an October Surprise, but this was not what I had in mind. I just can't see KJI and Bush coordinating anything. In fact, I am astounded at KJI's stupidity. The GOP was headed for a major defeat in the possible loss of control of Congress, which would be to NK's benefit. Why he would pull a stunt like this at this time, giving Bush at least a shot at snatching victory from the jaws...well, I never thought the guy was a genius. Devious, yes. Genius, no.
The incompetence with which Bush has run the war (and pretty much the rest of his administration) argues against him entering into a secret deal to supply the Fluffy Haired One with a nuke. The would require some pretty sophisticated planning and that seems to be beyond the capabilities of this administration. [/quote]
PS: This one is better and has more cachet than that Columbus conspiracy thing you tried to pull off recently. You are improving! Keep up the good work. In a year or two, you might get into IGTG's league.
You might want to put some thought into why, at 9PM, both the US and Japan have not confirmed the explosion. Are they holding off so they have time to plot something? Hmmmm??? |
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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The other thing that indicates either the stupidity or desperation of this is that this was the north's last card in their hands. They're all out now. What are they going to threaten with from now on? Another test? Another missile over Japan? Yawn.
And if they overtly threaten to harm real lives or property with these gadgets - "give us food and money or Tokyo gets it", or "we're going to sell this stuff to Osama" - the world would likely and rightly clobber them.
I know it's fashionable to knock on the Americans for what they do - and in the case of most of their foreign policy this decade, deserved - but I think they've done absolutely the right thing with the North by not giving them a penny. I don't think this puts the North in a strong position. It's the opposite - it shows he's completely out of options.
Which, of course, is even more dangerous.
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Lemon,
I don't know about the cigaretts, soju and fireworks, but that is possible.
We'll have to wait to see if any radioactivity was measured from the blast first. Bluffing wouldn't be below him though. |
That was my immediate thought too. It seemed odd that the Norks specified there had been "no radiation leak" in the same breath they announced the test.
But the transfer of vast quantities of conventional explosives enough to produce such a blast would have been picked up on sattelite monitoring surely?
This also casts speculation as to why did Nk carry out that earlier massive non-nuclear explosion 2 yrs ago anyway? |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Why he would pull a stunt like this at this time, giving Bush at least a shot at snatching victory from the jaws...well, I never thought the guy was a genius. Devious, yes. Genius, no. |
Seems to me he has done this before... memory is foggy. Didn't he pull out of the NPT just before the last election, or midterms, or something?
Hmm... maybe there is something to this conspiracy stuff...
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Lemon,
I don't know about the cigaretts, soju and fireworks, but that is possible.
We'll have to wait to see if any radioactivity was measured from the blast first. Bluffing wouldn't be below him though. |
That was my immediate thought too. It seemed odd that the Norks specified there had been "no radiation leak" in the same breath they announced the test.
But the transfer of vast quantities of conventional explosives enough to produce such a blast would have been picked up on sattelite monitoring surely?
This also casts speculation as to why did Nk carry out that earlier massive non-nuclear explosion 2 yrs ago anyway? |
In a nuclear weapon the nuclear explosion is triggered by a non nuclear explosion which , combined with other things, forces plutonium into critical mass.
But it is a very precisely timed and calculated explosion, it has to exert the right amount of pressure at the exact time etc.
The non nuclear test was likely a test of that ability. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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How about this one:
China and Russia want the US to remain weak and divided, and one way to achieve that is to help keep in power an unpopular president who rules through fear and division. They supply KJI with enough TNT and a few scraps of purified plutonium to make the world's smallest fake nuke test. As soon as the test takes place they rush to the media to call it 'brazen' and say the test is much bigger than it first appeared, all in the hope that the prez would fly off the handle and say/do something macho, stirring up a wave of hypernationalism, leading to success in the polls next month.
I know its kind of weak. I need IGTG to explain the role of the TLC, the Pope and the Bloomburg Group, not to mention Skull & Crossbones and the Martians. |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Lemon,
I don't know about the cigaretts, soju and fireworks, but that is possible.
We'll have to wait to see if any radioactivity was measured from the blast first. Bluffing wouldn't be below him though. |
That was my immediate thought too. It seemed odd that the Norks specified there had been "no radiation leak" in the same breath they announced the test.
But the transfer of vast quantities of conventional explosives enough to produce such a blast would have been picked up on sattelite monitoring surely?
This also casts speculation as to why did Nk carry out that earlier massive non-nuclear explosion 2 yrs ago anyway? |
In a nuclear weapon the nuclear explosion is triggered by a non nuclear explosion which , combined with other things, forces plutonium into critical mass.
But it is a very precisely timed and calculated explosion, it has to exert the right amount of pressure at the exact time etc.
The non nuclear test was likely a test of that ability. |
Ummm.....the blast in a nuke isn't all that big dude. You can fit it into an artillery shell. Try again. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jinglejangle wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Lemon,
I don't know about the cigaretts, soju and fireworks, but that is possible.
We'll have to wait to see if any radioactivity was measured from the blast first. Bluffing wouldn't be below him though. |
That was my immediate thought too. It seemed odd that the Norks specified there had been "no radiation leak" in the same breath they announced the test.
But the transfer of vast quantities of conventional explosives enough to produce such a blast would have been picked up on sattelite monitoring surely?
This also casts speculation as to why did Nk carry out that earlier massive non-nuclear explosion 2 yrs ago anyway? |
In a nuclear weapon the nuclear explosion is triggered by a non nuclear explosion which , combined with other things, forces plutonium into critical mass.
But it is a very precisely timed and calculated explosion, it has to exert the right amount of pressure at the exact time etc.
The non nuclear test was likely a test of that ability. |
Ummm.....the blast in a nuke isn't all that big dude. You can fit it into an artillery shell. Try again. |
Or a suitcase... |
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