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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Sean Penn speech on Arrogant, Misguided & Cowards Reply with quote

The Arrogant, the Misguided, and the Cowards

by Sean Penn

The following is a statement by actor Sean Penn given on October 2, 2006 at the Great Hall of Cooper Union, New York City. It was read by Mark Ruffalo (his co-star in "All the King's Men") at an emergency meeting of World Can�t Wait�Drive Out the Bush Regime held in response to passage of the Torture Bill and in preparation for protests happening on Thursday, October 5 in over 190 cities nationwide. http://www.worldcantwait.org

The arrogant, the misguided, the cowards would argue that an immediate pull-out of our troops from Iraq would inspire lack of confidence and the lost credibility of the United States. President Bush and his functionaries indeed have lost enormous credibility for the perception of our country internationally. Perhaps more damaging than that, they have created the greatest cultural, religious, and political divide domestically since our own Civil War.

We the people of the United States have a unique opportunity. We can show each other and the world that what the Bush administration claims is their mission is not ours. And, by leading our country as a citizenry and demanding of our government an immediate end to our own military and profit investments in Iraq, display for the entire world that democracy is a government of the people. What more powerful message to send the world than that we ourselves can choose � in policy, in peace, and in humanitarian support.

In fascism, one serves the State. Let�s show the world that with democracy, we can make the State do our bidding, and that such bids would not be the blind ones, given exclusively to the friends of power. But rather, the domain of the people of freedom everywhere. This is an administration that advocates torture, deceives the public, spends billions of dollars on a failed war. This is an administration where in the year of Katrina, Exxon Mobil claimed the highest profit margin in the history of world business. It is an administration that belittles, demeans, deceives, and indeed kills our brothers, our sisters, our sons, and our daughters.

At the U.S./Mexico border, we panic at the notion of illegal entry, without blinking an eye as our elderly line up every Saturday morning with wheelchairs, walkers, canes and joint pain, queued up in the desert heat to enter Mexico where they can purchase affordable medication. In the human family, this President is indeed pushing his wheelchair-bound grandmother down the stairs with a smile on his face. Everyone knows that these are true statements. Everyone. Some are ashamed of where they�ve put their support in the past, their passivity in the present, with the courage of their minds and hearts at bay. What an exciting thing to reverse this as one America and show the world who wears the pants in this house.

Stand up as an American and join World Can�t Wait and those demonstrating this Thursday, October 5th.

Out of Iraq. And out with Bush.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sean Penn says...


So what. I am not even going to read it.

I am tired of righteous actors and filmmakers, and bandleaders and even lounge singers like Jennifer Flowers mounting the soap box whenever the opportunity presents itself.

I am just as tired of Sean Penn and Bono's politics and moralizing as I am of Tom Cruise and Sting's. I am tired of the likes of Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, Oliver Stone, or Michael Moore subjecting me to their half-baked, twisted thoughtworlds just because they can. I do not even have the patience to watch Lethal Weapon II and its anti-Aparthied politics anymore -- and I have always wholly agreed with the film's take on Aparthied, but that is entirely beside the point.

I do not want to hear George Clooney or Julia Roberts deliver a sermon on global warming. I do not care what Charleton Heston has to say about gun control -- Moses or not. I was very disappointed when Superman involved himself in the Cold War-era strategic arms control debate, too.

And I especially do not have any patience for actors, filmmakers, or producers subjecting me to a tirade if and when they have the nation as something of a captive audience for a few moments while they accept an Academy Award.

Let them stick to meaningful and helpful projects like U.S.A. for Africa's "We Are the World" or "Live Aid," or "Farm Aid," etc. Let them stick to standing up to Al Gore's wife and her efforts to curb or limit free speech in the music industry. As far as the rest of it, including Tom Cruise's scientology and spats with Brooke Shields or Sean Penn's views on Middle Eastern affairs, I say this: so what? Why do they not run for office and put their money where their mouths are? How are they any better informed or authoritative than any bum on the subway who wants to lecture me on the Bible or how Bill Gates owes him $1 billion if I happen to have the misfortune of sitting next to him for a few stops...?
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher,

I'll listen to the bum on the street and the diva. Knowledge is everywhere and revelation even more so......

Nobody has a monopoly on "intelligence". It can spring from even the worst of seeming sources.

Sean Penn is speaking out and I wouldn't care if he was Sean Le Pen. Always a good thing . They are both part of a valuable process.....
And unfortunately in the U.S. , it takes those with a profile , to get the message out. I know, horrible that we have Oprah as our authority on books and Stern saying what is right and wrong with our daily life. Horrible but the way it is. I'd rather listen to Gore Vidal or Chomsky but the reality is , they are but echoes in a hollow cavern.

Of course you don't have to listen. But every now and then I watch a crappy movie, so I might know what a good one is like.

DD
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Quote:
Sean Penn says...


So what. I am not even going to read it.

I am tired of righteous actors and filmmakers, and bandleaders and even lounge singers like Jennifer Flowers mounting the soap box whenever the opportunity presents itself.

I am just as tired of Sean Penn and Bono's politics and moralizing as I am of Tom Cruise and Sting's. I am tired of the likes of Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, Oliver Stone, or Michael Moore subjecting me to their half-baked, twisted thoughtworlds just because they can. I do not even have the patience to watch Lethal Weapon II and its anti-Aparthied politics anymore -- and I have always wholly agreed with the film's take on Aparthied, but that is entirely beside the point.

I do not want to hear George Clooney or Julia Roberts deliver a sermon on global warming. I do not care what Charleton Heston has to say about gun control -- Moses or not. I was very disappointed when Superman involved himself in the Cold War-era strategic arms control debate, too.

And I especially do not have any patience for actors, filmmakers, or producers subjecting me to a tirade if and when they have the nation as something of a captive audience for a few moments while they accept an Academy Award.

Let them stick to meaningful and helpful projects like U.S.A. for Africa's "We Are the World" or "Live Aid," or "Farm Aid," etc. Let them stick to standing up to Al Gore's wife and her efforts to curb or limit free speech in the music industry. As far as the rest of it, including Tom Cruise's scientology and spats with Brooke Shields or Sean Penn's views on Middle Eastern affairs, I say this: so what? Why do they not run for office and put their money where their mouths are? How are they any better informed or authoritative than any bum on the subway who wants to lecture me on the Bible or how Bill Gates owes him $1 billion if I happen to have the misfortune of sitting next to him for a few stops...?


Riiight... you republicans would like a nice, quiet, docile electorate. Well, we're waking up.

Sorry to disappoint you.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
Gopher,


And unfortunately in the U.S. , it takes those with a profile , to get the message out. I know, horrible that we have Oprah as our authority on books and Stern saying what is right and wrong with our daily life. Horrible but the way it is. I'd rather listen to Gore Vidal or Chomsky but the reality is , they are but echoes in a hollow cavern.

DD



Said the Canadian idiotarian. Notice the need to bring America into the discussion, and of course, in a negative way. This is a textbook case of Canadian envy of America. Instead of simply discussing the issue at hand, the subject feels a need to "put it all in context" of the dumbfuck America......


Funny thing is, Canadian intellectuals are the ultimate echo in the ultimate hollow cavern.....
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
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Sean Penn says...


So what. I am not even going to read it.




At least we know who he is. You, on the other hand, ranting behind an internet pseudonym....
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Said the Canadian idiotarian. Notice the need to bring America into the discussion, and of course, in a negative way. This is a textbook case of Canadian envy of America. Instead of simply discussing the issue at hand, the subject feels a need to "put it all in context" of the dumbfuck America......


Isn't the topic, "the AMERICAN election? Pretty hard to avoid bringing Uncle Sam into the conversation. If anything, your retort (and of course all your previous postings) shows who is the "dumbfuck" and who isn't addressing the issue. I brought up the issue that in America, it takes "celeb" status to get any kind of response or message out. Please address that notion and / or what Penn said and avoid your negative Canadian reflex.

And for the record, I consider myself more American than Canadian. Meaning, I am from that continent, with similiar values and ideology. What happens in America directly effects me, my family and friends. I don't buy all the "Canada" is so special stuff. Not much difference between me or John Smithton from Indiana. That's the reality as I see it.

DD
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Gopher wrote:
Quote:
Sean Penn says...


So what. I am not even going to read it.


At least we know who he is. You, on the other hand, ranting behind an internet pseudonym....


Good for you.

Stick with Sean Penn. Stick with The Falcon and the Snowman. Stick with Burt Reynolds and Smokey and the Bandit and its biting social commentary on Southern law-enforcement, or stick with Steven Spielberg's multi-part cutting-edge treatises on deep-water marine life for that matter.

I'll stick with the factual record and professional analyses where foreign affairs are concerned, however.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a rabid Genesis fan, but I was a little disgusted when Phil Collins, in 1985, flew his Concorde to be at both Live Aid concerts to advocate global help for Ethiopia. Why didn't you just donate the plane fare, Phil? And since then I've been suspicious of celebrities who parrot a trendy cause but don't help personally.

But the media is a messy and disorganized multitude of voices, and that's a good thing, I guess. Sean Penn should be free to say what he wants, and I think people should be aware that he's an actor, not a professor of international relations.

Ken:>
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Ody



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:

Riiight... you republicans would like a nice, quiet, docile electorate. Well, we're waking up.

Sorry to disappoint you.


ya think? i really doubt that.

it has taken 30 years for me to completely loose my sunny optimism. but today, i'm sad to say that i have 0 faith in the American public.

as for the op, i respect any person who puts themselves out there, as Sean Penn has. why anyone would critisize him for that is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate celebrities making use of their fame to speak out for what they believe.

I remember when, despite the efforts of dedicated campaigners, the general public had little awareness of the horrific effects and consequences of landmining. Princess Diana changed all that in one fell swoop, and brought it straight to the attention of the British public, and to the world. I really appreciated that.

The same woman also did a lot to combat ignorance and prejudice against AIDS victims, physically embracing them in public and showing them much compassion. She made huge strides in enlightening the average man on the street.

Now, I wouldn't have looked to her for a detailed discussion of landmines, but I valued her contribution in the way of alerting a previously ignorant populace.

If Penn wants to use his celebrity to bring attention to a political issue he feels strongly about, then that's cool with me.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
I'm a rabid Genesis fan, but I was a little disgusted when Phil Collins, in 1985, flew his Concorde to be at both Live Aid concerts to advocate global help for Ethiopia. Why didn't you just donate the plane fare, Phil? And since then I've been suspicious of celebrities who parrot a trendy cause but don't help personally.

But the media is a messy and disorganized multitude of voices, and that's a good thing, I guess. Sean Penn should be free to say what he wants, and I think people should be aware that he's an actor, not a professor of international relations.

Ken:>


Many years ago that silly tw@t also threatened to leave the country if Labour were voted into power - I vowed never to buy any of his poxy merchandise from that day forward! Wink
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Gopher wrote:
Quote:
Sean Penn says...


So what. I am not even going to read it.




At least we know who he is. You, on the other hand, ranting behind an internet pseudonym....


I take it then that Demophobe is your given name and NOT a internet pseudonym? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
Gopher,

I'll listen to the bum on the street... DD



It does sound that that is where you get the majority of your "information"....I'm waiting for the day when you tell us how tinfoil hats protect your mind from the government...that's what some bums on the street tell me.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Quote:
Sean Penn says...


So what. I am not even going to read it.



Yeah, if I attended an event where Sean Penn was giving a speech, I'd have pizza delivered while he's speaking. I simply dislike seeing celebrities trying to tell us how to think, whether these celebrities are making a plug for or against Scientology, the War in Iraq, animal rights, etc.
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