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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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 Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: What makes a great Pope? |
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I'm generally curious. John Paul II is, I guess, remembered as a great Pope. Conversely, I suppose there are people who think he was a complete Richard. I myself have no opinion on his greatness or worthlessness. I simply would like to know why he was and is still revered by so many. Is it because he was shot? It can't be because he was so beneficent; that's like saying a doctor is great because he heals people: it's his job to be benificent, isn't it? I realize there used to be a long line of past Popes who murdered a lot of people, but that sh*t would never fly in this day and age, so being a nice guy isn't exactly a rare trait amongst candidates for the papacy. As long as he doesn't have a predilection for young boys or similar dispicable vices, shouldn't being an all around standup guy be enough? Unless you're a weirdo who believes the Vatican secretly runs the world, the Pope's global role is pretty minor, isn't it? I mean, say some appropriate words on Christmas, Easter, or when a large-scale tragedy strikes; how hard is that? Right?
But that leads me to my next question: why is the current Pope, Benedict Something, thought not as highly of as Johnny P? Is it because he hasn't had to, during his papacy, deal with world events as big as the Cold Wars (I and II) or the Tupac and Biggie slayings? Is he more of a "hands off" Pope who prefers to relegate shine to those who deserve it, thus making him seem like an indifferent Pope? Is it because he's German? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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There are, in 3 points in my rubric:
1) Does it float
2) Is it one solid piece
3) Does your ddong ko wipe clean? |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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I think J.P II is/was respected for 2 big things:
1) his quick forgiveness of the dude that shot him
2) he was very open with other faiths. got on well with other Christians, Muslims, and even apologized to Jews for past ill deeds (or past ill-silences)
Those numbers should probable be reversed though. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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There are, in 3 points in my rubric:
1) Does it float
2) Is it one solid piece
3) Does your ddong ko wipe clean? |
Please, let's not turn this into an "I hate the Pope because..." thread. I honestly mean that. I don't want to be compared to a stool, and neither, I imagine, do you. Plus, I've always felt one should respect his/her elders. The guy's like 800 years old. I'm sure he's heard 'em all, and I'm equally sure he doesn't appreciate it.
PS - Does the Pope sh*t in the woods?
(Sorry; reflexes. Ask Jack Burton.) |
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: Re: What makes a great Pope? |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
I'm generally curious. John Paul II is, I guess, remembered as a great Pope. Conversely, I suppose there are people who think he was a complete Richard. I myself have no opinion on his greatness or worthlessness. I simply would like to know why he was and is still revered by so many. Is it because he was shot? It can't be because he was so beneficent; that's like saying a doctor is great because he heals people: it's his job to be benificent, isn't it? I realize there used to be a long line of past Popes who murdered a lot of people, but that sh*t would never fly in this day and age, so being a nice guy isn't exactly a rare trait amongst candidates for the papacy. As long as he doesn't have a predilection for young boys or similar dispicable vices, shouldn't being an all around standup guy be enough? Unless you're a weirdo who believes the Vatican secretly runs the world, the Pope's global role is pretty minor, isn't it? I mean, say some appropriate words on Christmas, Easter, or when a large-scale tragedy strikes; how hard is that? Right?
But that leads me to my next question: why is the current Pope, Benedict Something, thought not as highly of as Johnny P? Is it because he hasn't had to, during his papacy, deal with world events as big as the Cold Wars (I and II) or the Tupac and Biggie slayings? Is he more of a "hands off" Pope who prefers to relegate shine to those who deserve it, thus making him seem like an indifferent Pope? Is it because he's German? |
Not being Catholic, German, Polish, Italian, a speaker of Latin, or a Knights Templar, I don't know. Nor do I care to. However, I'm pretty sure the answers to your questions have something to do with this man:
When he is elected Pope, I would like to see him not take on a regal name. Keep it as Pope Kurt. Or perhaps Latinize a bit. How does Pope Kurtious sound? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Well the idea of any "great" pope is null and void until they stop actively participating in the deaths of millions in Africa with thier obscene no condom policy. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: Re: What makes a great Pope? |
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| cwemory wrote: |
Not being Catholic, German, Polish, Italian, a speaker of Latin, or a Knights Templar, I don't know. Nor do I care to. However, I'm pretty sure the answers to your questions have something to do with this man:
When he is elected Pope, I would like to see him not take on a regal name. Keep it as Pope Kurt. Or perhaps Latinize a bit. How does Pope Kurtious sound? |
But I may suggest Pope Kurt Burton the Fizzirst (Pope Burton Kurt the Fizzirst works, too). |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| Well the idea of any "great" pope is null and void until they stop actively participating in the deaths of millions in Africa with thier obscene no condom policy. |
Personal responsibility, personal choice. Your religion, should you choose to have one, is your choice. If your religion's choices kill you, it was still your choice.
We are not mindless animals.
Are there even a lot of Catholics in Africa. I would think that (that) place was overrun by Germans and Dutch, leaning Protesant.
Catholicism teaches monagomay, doesn't it? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well, first of all, to be a great pope, you have to be a pope.
Then, if you do a few great things, most followers will think you are great.
Not all people do the same great things, and some things are great in their own way, so they aren't considered great by everyone. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| Well the idea of any "great" pope is null and void until they stop actively participating in the deaths of millions in Africa with thier obscene no condom policy. |
Personal responsibility, personal choice. Your religion, should you choose to have one, is your choice. If your religion's choices kill you, it was still your choice.
We are not mindless animals.
Are there even a lot of Catholics in Africa. I would think that (that) place was overrun by Germans and Dutch, leaning Protesant.
Catholicism teaches monagomay, doesn't it? |
Well here's a quote from a web search on catholocism in Africa...
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| The Catholic Church is growing faster in Africa than on any other continent, with almost 150 million adherents in countries such as Nigeria, Tanzania, Angola and Botswana. |
So Catholic priests have a huge amount of sway over African culture through what they say at the pulpit. If you're catholic, you obey your parish preists wishes on important thing. And they still to this day are resolute that they will never accept condom use. They preach this. People follow it. And people die in record numbers. From my vantage point it is nothing less than cold blooded murder. To be that perversely comitted to an abstract principle even when that principle is KILLING people daily really shows how archaic and redundant the Catholic church has become in the modern world. They are evil. |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| the last great pope we had was a reformer. thank God for Vatican II. now we just need a Vatican III and IV to keep the reforms coming. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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ahh...crap.
sorry...
POPE!
I was pretty tired last night. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| So Catholic priests have a huge amount of sway over African culture through what they say at the pulpit. If you're catholic, you obey your parish preists wishes on important thing. And they still to this day are resolute that they will never accept condom use. They preach this. People follow it. And people die in record numbers. From my vantage point it is nothing less than cold blooded murder. To be that perversely comitted to an abstract principle even when that principle is KILLING people daily really shows how archaic and redundant the Catholic church has become in the modern world. They are evil. |
Are these priests also telling everyong to sleep around with multiple parnters? ... thought not.
But hey, blaming the Catholic Church is cool and trendy! Let's do that. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| So Catholic priests have a huge amount of sway over African culture through what they say at the pulpit. If you're catholic, you obey your parish preists wishes on important thing. And they still to this day are resolute that they will never accept condom use. They preach this. People follow it. And people die in record numbers. From my vantage point it is nothing less than cold blooded murder. To be that perversely comitted to an abstract principle even when that principle is KILLING people daily really shows how archaic and redundant the Catholic church has become in the modern world. They are evil. |
Are these priests also telling everyong to sleep around with multiple parnters? ... thought not.
But hey, blaming the Catholic Church is cool and trendy! Let's do that. |
Let's even disregard the AIDS and multiple partners issues. No birth control is producing way too many African babies, which is also murder because they can't be supported and is way too much of a drain to have 5 to 10 children! |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| What makes a great Pope? |
His ability to respond to the Pope signal when Vatican city needs him. |
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