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gringo_al
Joined: 17 Sep 2006 Location: San Jos�, Costa Rica
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: hoping for gay community |
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I'm currently living in San Jos�, Costa Rica, which has a thriving, if somewhat underground, gay scene. There are several bars, a couple of bathhouses, and cruising is fairly common on the street. I'm out to my boss and other teachers at work.
I am considering relocating to South Korea in February. From what research I've done, I understand that things are much different there. I know that I won't be able to be out at work. I know there are fewer bars and I doubt that there are any bathhouses. I'm okay with all that.
But will I be able to find other gays? either English speaking Koreans, or ex-pats? Will I be able to find people that I can be gay around? to make gay friends? to meet other men to have sex with? |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Re: hoping for gay community |
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gringo_al wrote: |
Will I be able to find people that I can be gay around? |
If you like holding hands with men, and getting random shoulder massages from strangers than Korea is a great country. You can meet a businessman and be walking down the street holding hands with him in no time. They're just being friendly though.
If you want to perv you can go to bathouses and look at all the naked males you want. You can also soap them up and rub their backs if you're feeling generous. They'll reciprocate.
However you'll be disappointed to learn that there are no gays in Korea. So no picking up.
(Actually I had a buddy who got stuck in one of those hagwans that make you share your apartment, and he had a fruity room-mate. Apparantely the guy picked up about 30 guys a month (and that's just february) without a bother. You'll probably want to be in Seoul though.) |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: Re: hoping for gay community |
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gringo_al wrote: |
I'm currently living in San Jos�, Costa Rica, which has a thriving, if somewhat underground, gay scene. There are several bars, a couple of bathhouses, and cruising is fairly common on the street. I'm out to my boss and other teachers at work.
I am considering relocating to South Korea in February. From what research I've done, I understand that things are much different there. I know that I won't be able to be out at work. I know there are fewer bars and I doubt that there are any bathhouses. I'm okay with all that.
But will I be able to find other gays? either English speaking Koreans, or ex-pats? Will I be able to find people that I can be gay around? to make gay friends? to meet other men to have sex with? |
Actually, there are some bathhouses for queers. I don't know what they are, but I imagine it would be easy enough to figure out once you established some connections here. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: |
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In Seoul there's a district called Itaewon, and in Itaewon there's a place called Hooker Hill, one or two streets back ( can't remember ) there's a place affectionately known by some as Queer Street. There are several bars there that you will enjoy. I've been in there, and seen lots of dudes in nothing but thier briefs, table dancing with each other, hard-ons straining against that flimsy cotton. It was quite bachanalian really. But it's very underground, strictly hush hush and on the q t ... |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Ive seen some pretty high class drag queen shows in that area as well... |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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If you do decide to come to Korea. I think Seoul would be your best bet otherwise I think you would feel quite isolated. It wouldn't be a good idea to be out to your Korean boss and coworkers until you know them REALLY well.
I knew a gay guy here in Korea and he had no trouble meeting people. The best place was, as another poster, said in Itaewon up Hooker Hill. There are drag clubs if you are into that too.
There is a section in Lonely Planet Korea about the Gay and Lesbian scene in Korea.
http://www.fridae.com/cityguides/seoul/seo-intro.php
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discostar23

Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Location: getting the hell out of dodge
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SirFink

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: hoping for gay community |
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gringo_al wrote: |
I know there are fewer bars and I doubt that there are any bathhouses. |
In one of my classes yesterday I was comparing the typical US city to the typical Korean city. "We also have McDonald's, Wal-Mart, department stores..." One boy asked "do you have bath houses?" My answer: "Well... they're not quite the same..."  |
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maryb
Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Location: up the hill from the kimchi pots
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure you are in Seoul. You will have NO PROBLEM finding other gays and lesbians to hang with. There are gays bars in both Hongdae and Itaewon. They have fun names like Queen, Two Men, or Pink Button. No need to be subtle here. . . .homo hill is one hill past hooker hill.
Most of my friends are queer and I spend most saturday nights defending my natural born right to be straight.
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes - South Korea certainly does have a lot of bath houses, where people walk around with no clothes out in the open.
As a general rule I've noticed that daytime is usually more for legitimate users of the bath house facilities, but at night a lot of same-sex sexual activity does take place at many bath houses. Most operate 24 hours and I would not be caught going to one after 9pm.
Infact just about every sauna within the green city cirlce line seems to have to *some* sort of underground gay activity taking place, particularly late at night.
You often see two men scrubbing down each other with soap, in the hot sauna rooms together, in the spa pool together, getting a massage together, sleeping together in the rest areas and (yes) even having physical sex out in the open (within the building).
But possibly the worse case scenario - is if you see one of your student/s or co-workers naked in the bath house ... |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote: |
Yes - South Korea certainly does have a lot of bath houses, where people walk around with no clothes out in the open.
As a general rule I've noticed that daytime is usually more for legitimate users of the bath house facilities, but at night a lot of same-sex sexual activity does take place at many bath houses. Most operate 24 hours and I would not be caught going to one after 9pm.
Infact just about every sauna within the green city cirlce line seems to have to *some* sort of underground gay activity taking place, particularly late at night.
You often see two men scrubbing down each other with soap, in the hot sauna rooms together, in the spa pool together, getting a massage together, sleeping together in the rest areas and (yes) even having physical sex out in the open (within the building).
But possibly the worse case scenario - is if you see one of your student/s or co-workers naked in the bath house ... |
What do you think the gay scene is like north of the border Mr Sovietman? |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ive met more gay people in korea than I did back home! And, I dont even live in Seoul. They do tend to make trips to the bars in Seoul though for a bit of mixing. Ive only met one gay korean but he was borna nd raised in the US and its not acceptable for him to be out here. |
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Delirium's Brother

Joined: 08 May 2006 Location: Out in that field with Rumi, waiting for you to join us!
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: hoping for gay community |
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gringo_al wrote: |
to meet other men to have sex with? |
Show me a gay man that would actually pose this precisely worded question, straightly, to an allegedly straight audience on a message board, and I'll show you a hairy ogre sized creature that throws bags over dwarfs. |
Dude. What is up with you today? You've been busting heads and taking names in every thread you've entered today. Where's the love? |
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jeffusensei
Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: pomohomo |
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On a good Saturday night, there are hundreds and hundreds of folks on homo hill in itaewon. The crowd is mixed, Korean/foreigner, gay/straight. Ask around for "King Bar" and go around the corner where you'll find "Queen Bar" and you're there. There's also a bar called "del disco" under the Hamilton Hotel by the station that's mostly a gay crowd. Lesbian bars are concentrated in Hongdae and Sinchon, both on the green subway line. There are many many dedicated gay bathouses in Seoul - this is a very big city. Not sure about lesbian bathouses. Have a pun! |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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What do you think the gay scene is like north of the border Mr Sovietman? |
I think homosexuality exists in all countries. It did in the Soviet Union, it did in Ancient Greece and it does in the DPRK.
The DPRK correctly recognizes that traditional family structres are fairly corrosive and unequal institutions that are largely irrelevant to building a socialist society.
Social organization is thus based on shared resources, not the central role of the family. If anything, communal living and collectivized property is seen as being preferable in the DPRK.
Infact, I would further argue that homosexuals and single people in the DPRK do have a far greater opportunity for participation and advancement within DPRK society, than compared to (say) ROK society - where sexist and homophobic cultural expectations/attitudes are forced down the throat of single/gay persons to marry and breed. |
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