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Milwaukiedave
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happeningthang
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| That's not an actual campaign ad, is it? |
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Satori
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| I see that functioning more as a Democrat smear tactic. It paints Republicans as drooling neanderthals... |
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Hater Depot
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Perhaps the Dems should make an ad that reminds people
1. Donald Rumsfeld's company sold nuclear technology to the Norks.
2. The Norks didn't start building the current bomb until 2 years after Bush took office.
Facts can be so terribly inconvenient. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: |
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youtube also has a clip of an interview with Zucker. He's a movie director. There is a poster of Scary Movie 4 behind him.
He doesn't mention this ad, but he says his stuff is humorous. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| That's not an actual campaign ad, is it? |
No, it's not an ad, but it was supposedly paid for by the RNC.
I happen to like this ad, which is a campaign ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCo8cQd6Gdc |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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wtf?
I don't care if it isn't an ad. That intelligent people should think this humorous is disgusting.
Fear , Fear, Fear.............keep creating an enemy, a boogie man, a threat .....the barbarians are at the gates......
that is their whole campaign strategy, along with accompaning refrain supporting this, thus, "Rally around the chief!".
I find particulary abhorent, the phrasing of "evil needs to be confronted" which is in reference to the holocaust and Churchill......I prefer Burke's
'All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing' Meaning, we better kick Bush out on his ass and get a good man in there. Atleast then we have half a fighting chance.....maybe they'll then do something.??
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:11 am Post subject: |
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DD,
Yeah I agree it's in very bad taste and misleading as hell. They never showed it on air, but it's circulating on the internet though. The only reason I happened to know about it is because CNN ran part of it. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
Perhaps the Dems should make an ad that reminds people
1. Donald Rumsfeld's company sold nuclear technology to the Norks.
2. The Norks didn't start building the current bomb until 2 years after Bush took office. |
3. Reagan sold chemical weapons to Saddam.
4. Reagan sold weapons to Iran.
5. Reagan supported Afghan terrorists in their war against the Soviets. |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I used to like Zucker's work (if that's the same Zucker that made some of the Airplane and Naked Gun movies...)
This little piece of video garbage is completely devoid of good-spirited humor, and the subject matter and style clash in a way that produces bad vibes throughout - perhaps only appealing to people who thought that Abu Graib videos were funny... |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, it is the same Zucker that made Airplane and the Naked Gun movies. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Hater Depot wrote: |
Perhaps the Dems should make an ad that reminds people
1. Donald Rumsfeld's company sold nuclear technology to the Norks.
2. The Norks didn't start building the current bomb until 2 years after Bush took office. |
3. Reagan sold chemical weapons to Saddam.
4. Reagan sold weapons to Iran.
5. Reagan supported Afghan terrorists in their war against the Soviets. |
Get to the point. What is the point you think all of this shows? |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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huffdaddy wrote:
Hater Depot wrote:
Perhaps the Dems should make an ad that reminds people
1. Donald Rumsfeld's company sold nuclear technology to the Norks.
2. The Norks didn't start building the current bomb until 2 years after Bush took office.
3. Reagan sold chemical weapons to Saddam.
4. Reagan sold weapons to Iran.
5. Reagan supported Afghan terrorists in their war against the Soviets.
Get to the point. What is the point you think all of this shows? |
Wasn't it Perry Mason who said "let the facts speak for themselves?" or was it Georgie Porgie???
The point is, you don't get the point. As you just stated.
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
Wasn't it Perry Mason who said "let the facts speak for themselves?" or was it Georgie Porgie???
The point is, you don't get the point. As you just stated. |
Ah. So you easily abandon your postmodernist pretensions when it is convenient.
"The facts" do not speak for themselves and, as you well know, only become a coherent statement or argument when we make them so, usually for a moral purpose, for attacking or defending A, B, or C.
I wanted to know what argument the above poster was implying but not stating -- and this for reasons we can only speculate on.
In any case, the Republicans apparently are attacking the Democrats in their campaign rhetoric (and vice versa, I assure you). But because we on this board are very leftist, Hater Depot and Huff Daddy singled out the Republican ad and "demolished" it with their own brilliant counterargument (which was clearly a hostile and non-contextual Bill of Particulars if there ever was one here)...
I guess that is true, though, the Republicans have done some pretty low things.
I guess the Democrats are far more moral than they. And we can just as easily produce our own non-contextual Bill of Particulars with respect to our Democratic champions of peace, no?
And we can ask, then...why should the Republicans make an ad that reminds Democrats of their own warmongering and corrupt dealings...?
Especially those like Truman, who seized on the Korean War as a pretext to remilitarize the U.S., intentionally creating what has become known as "the military-industrial complex" and what Eisenhower warned us about using such terms as "garrison state"; or those like JFK and his warmongering brother, who once proposed blowing up our own consulate in the Dominican Republic to create a pretext to invade Santo Domingo. Or, indeed, being as "hysterical" as the Kennedy Administration was over Castro (this is McNamara's word, by the way), perhaps the Republicans can make an ad showing how a Democratic White House once engendered and then kicked around this insane proposal...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
The Republicans, as the leftists here well know, start unecessary wars and get us mired in on the ground as unpopular occupation forces. LBJ apparently never really existed -- and neither did Vietnam.
And did Clinton, at the height of morality and correctness, not bomb Yugoslavia and sign an executive order committing the U.S. to an eventual Bay of Pigs-style op designed to overthrow Saddam? What, by the way, does Stephanopoulos have Clinton saying and vowing to do in the aftermath of Somalia...?
So, yeah, I guess I do get your point, Ddeubel: the lying Republicans really are low, and, conversely, by saying so, we know that the Democrats, the soldiers of Good and peace and tolerance and all that is holy, really are so much better...
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