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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:40 am Post subject: PC gone mad |
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A teenage schoolgirl was arrested by police for racism after refusing to sit with a group of Asian students because some of them did not speak English.
Codie Stott's family claim she was forced to spend three-and-a-half hours in a police cell after she was reported by her teachers. |
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The teenager had not been in school the day before due to a hospital appointment and had missed the start of a project, so the teacher allocated her a group to sit with.
"She said I had to sit there with five Asian pupils," said Codie yesterday.
"Only one could speak English, so she had to tell that one what to do so she could explain in their language. Then she sat me with them and said 'Discuss'."
According to Codie, the five - four boys and a girl - then began talking in a language she didn't understand, thought to be Urdu, so she went to speak to the teacher.
"I said 'I'm not being funny, but can I change groups because I can't understand them?' But she started shouting and screaming, saying 'It's racist, you're going to get done by the police'."
Codie said she went outside to calm down where another teacher found her and, after speaking to her class teacher, put her in isolation for the rest of the day.
A complaint was made to a police officer based full-time at the school, and more than a week after the incident on September 26 she was taken to Swinton police station and placed under arrest. |
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Salford was at the centre of a storm last April after a ten-year-old boy was hauled before a court for allegedly calling an 11-year-old mixed race pupil a 'Paki' and 'Bin Laden' in a playground argument at a primary school in Irlam.
When the case came before District Judge Jonathan Finestein he said the decision to prosecute showed "how stupid the whole system is getting". |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410150&in_page_id=1770 |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Thats not unusual, in the US, American kids are often forced to help immigrants learn English. They have to help or they have their grades lowered. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Not unusual?
Dude, she was arrested for racism. For wanting to speak English in school.
She was arrested for racism in ENGland for wanting to speak ENGlish in her school.
dd, help em' out. We need an irrelevant quote from some obscure dead guy, Dennis Miller style, to help sort this out. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: 평택
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Strange occurrence for kids to end up arrested over something like this  but:
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| Thats not unusual, in the US, American kids are often forced to help immigrants learn English. They have to help or they have their grades lowered. |
dulouz, so what????  There's nothing bad about "American" kids helping and working together with immigrants. What do you think some of the best bilingual classrooms do? Your comparison makes no sense
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Oh, come on...
I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
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| According to Codie |
The student...
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she went to speak to the teacher.
"I said 'I'm not being funny, but can I change groups because I can't understand them?' But she started shouting and screaming, saying 'It's racist, you're going to get done by the police'."
Codie said she went outside to calm down
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I'm not going to disagree that it's an overraction, that this kid ended up in the police station over this incident, but I'm not going to accept this account of events (the 14 year old student's account) as it's being reported here.
The school's investigating, the police deny she was put in a cell, the teacher doesn't get a say, but this paper is happy to run with the version of events provided by a kid in trouble at school. Well known bastions of truth there. I smell a stitch up, especially considering it fits in all too readily with this paper's style of reporting....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/news/thenews.html?in_page_id=1770
Christian BA employee to take legal action over suspension for wearing cross
Cocaine use among middle-classes has doubled during Blair years
Care staff refuse to help elderly woman up stairs...in case they are injured
Policeman's blog lifts lid on diversity madness
Nahh... these guys don't have an axe to grind at all. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| dulouz, so what???? There's nothing bad about "American" kids helping and working together with immigrants. What do you think some of the best bilingual classrooms do? Your comparison makes no sense |
I disagree. Again, we have this affront dishonesty about illegal immigrant kids. Those kids should not be clogging the classrooms at all.
Just them being is there is outrageous enough but when we have to manage the subsequent mess its way over the top. No, its no American's kid place to help others with their English. School is hard enough, the ne'er-do-wells can go take a hike. Why do kids have to have one language , one language they may have no interest in learning forced on them anyway? What kind of mandate is that? Legal immigrants as well.
The Federal Gov't does whatever it wants on immigration knowing all time that the money to support such indugences comes from the states. There is supposed to be some manner of representation but all we get is butt crack and middle fingers from Washington DC.
Yes, its not unusual and thats bad and its scary. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: 평택
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| dulouz, so what???? There's nothing bad about "American" kids helping and working together with immigrants. What do you think some of the best bilingual classrooms do? Your comparison makes no sense |
I disagree. Again, we have this affront dishonesty about illegal immigrant kids. Those kids should not be clogging the classrooms at all.
Just them being is there is outrageous enough but when we have to manage the subsequent mess its way over the top. No, its no American's kid place to help others with their English. School is hard enough, the ne'er-do-wells can go take a hike. Why do kids have to have one language , one language they may have no interest in learning forced on them anyway? What kind of mandate is that? Legal immigrants as well.
The Federal Gov't does whatever it wants on immigration knowing all time that the money to support such indugences comes from the states. There is supposed to be some manner of representation but all we get is butt crack and middle fingers from Washington DC.
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If you want to criticize how there are illegal immigrants in the States, that's one thing. But criticizing kids being encouraged to work together and learn and interact with one another is ridiculous. Encouraging kids to do so is advantageous for all. advantageous in so many ways....
there is nothing to criticize
I instead would rather focus on in what way of doing so would be the most effective for the kids. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: |
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If you want to criticize how there are illegal immigrants in the States, that's one thing. But criticizing kids being encouraged to work together and learn and interact with one another is ridiculous. Encouraging kids to do so is advantageous for all. advantageous in so many ways....
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I'm sorry, you don't "working together", you mean forcing the established kids helping the government out with their master race hobby. To that end, I must say no. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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If you want to criticize how there are illegal immigrants in the States, that's one thing. But criticizing kids being encouraged to work together and learn and interact with one another is ridiculous. Encouraging kids to do so is advantageous for all. advantageous in so many ways....
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I'm sorry, you don't "working together", you mean forcing the established kids helping the government out with their master race hobby. To that end, I must say no. |
I'm just saying that you are ignoring the benefits to both sides with such an arrangement. Would you also like to remove the foreign language requirement in public schools? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Oh, come on...
I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
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Quite right Sir. The first time I viewed this thread I saw Daily Mail in the URL link and thought to myself "Oh Aye..." and moved on. That paper is practically The Sun with pretensions of being a thoughtful broadsheet... |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| Thats not unusual, in the US, American kids are often forced to help immigrants learn English. They have to help or they have their grades lowered. |
Cite your sources, delouzion. Given I know a thing or two about group work in the classroom, be careful which citations you use. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:13 am Post subject: |
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"I've been reading the Mail Call today, on Tuesday's paper, and all the parents in there complaining about their little kids learning Spanish in school. I don't have kids going to school, but I'll tell you one thing. They don't realize, if you can learn a second language, as you get older in life, you may open doors for a better job. I don't understand why they wouldn't want them to learn a second language."
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Yea, we force the public school kids to learn Spanish, while the priviledged learn Chinese. I'm German, I want my families kids to spend time learning German.
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China's emergence as an economic superpower has been well-documented.
Western business leaders are said to be gearing up for all the changes to come, but they are not the only ones keen to get a head start.
An increasing number of families in the United States is looking to employ Chinese nannies - not so much for their child-rearing abilities, but more for their language skills.
Parents always want to give their children a good head start in life to prepare them for the future.
It seems that families in the United States with a lot of disposable income believe that helping their children master the intricacies of Mandarin at an early age is one way to do that.
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Oh, come on...
I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
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Quite right Sir. The first time I viewed this thread I saw Daily Mail in the URL link and thought to myself "Oh Aye..." and moved on. That paper is practically The Sun with pretensions of being a thoughtful broadsheet... |
I don't know very much about British (?) newspapers, but I am confused. Especially after reading a recent topic you initiated.
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Army chief: British troops must pull out of Iraq soon
General attacks government policy that has 'exacerbated' security risks
Richard Norton-Taylor and Tania Branigan
Friday October 13, 2006
The Guardian
A British soldier is covered in flames from a petrol bomb thrown in Basra, Iraq. Photograph: Atef Hassan/Reuters
General Sir Richard Dannatt, the head of the army, dropped a political bombshell last night by saying that Britain must withdraw from Iraq "soon" or risk serious consequences for Iraqi and British society.
In a blistering attack on Tony Blair's foreign policy, Gen Dannatt said the continuing military presence in Iraq was jeopardising British security and interests around the world.
"I don't say that the difficulties we are experiencing round the world are caused by our presence in Iraq, but undoubtedly our presence in Iraq exacerbates them," he said in comments that met with admiration from anti-war campaigners and disbelief in some parts of Westminster.
In an interview with the Daily Mail, Gen Dannatt, who became chief of the general staff in August, said we should "get ourselves out sometime soon because our presence exacerbates the security problems".
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http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=68284
It seems the Guardian picked the story up from the Daily Mail. Am I to assume from your comments that, until a story from the Daily Mail is picked up by another news source, it is not credible? Or is it "cherry-picking" what is or is not accepted depending on whether it agrees or disagrees with a certain world view - whatever it happens to be. If the Daily Mail is rubbish (I don't know one way or the other), then the accuracy of the reports regarding the General's comments are to be doubted since they originated from the Daily Mail, aren't they?
Yes, yes, I know the comments have been verified, blah, blah, blah. My point is the willingness to take a report from a certain news source at face value in one case and not in another.
I am not flaming, just confused. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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When I was at school it was common for the disruptive, problem kids to be put in classes with FOB immigrant kids who were still learning English.
It's not a very good policy. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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When I was at school it was common for the disruptive, problem kids to be put in classes with FOB immigrant kids who were still learning English.
It's not a very good policy. |
You are implying maybe that the teachers at your school didn't care much about the immigrant kids they had, to lump them together with other undesirables. What you said does not represent all teachers.
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| I instead would rather focus on in what way of doing so would be the most effective for the kids. |
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