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Rich, stupid, gullible K-parents getting what they deserve

 
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Rich, stupid, gullible K-parents getting what they deserve Reply with quote

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2006102024228

High-Priced English Camp Disappoints


Ms. Park (age: 44), a college lecturer, paid a visit to an introductory presentation for �Arirang TV English Camp,� which was held in Seoul in June. The supposedly top-notch camp caught her attention, because she heard that it targets parents from affluent parts of Seoul.

She decided that the camp deserved to have the big price tag, when she heard that all the teachers are either foreigners, who graduated from Ivy League universities or professional educators, who graduated from Seoul National University, Yonsei University, and Korea University.


When she saw a TV commercial for the camp on Arirang TV, she decided that the camp must be guarantee quality; the camp was being run by Arirang TV, which is affiliated to the Ministry of Culture & Tourism.


She sent her 15-year-old son, who is in his third year of middle school, on a four-week �English and Math Camp� starting in late July.


The camp fee for the four-week program was highest in the nation. English and math classes aimed at students aiming for special purpose high schools cost 3.8 million won, classes for students hoping to study abroad at an early age cost 4.0 million won, and the camp for adults cost 9.99 million won for the eight-week program and 12.99 million won for the 12-week program.


The Harvard grad turns out to be a high school grad-


In the information booklet that Ms. Kim received, there were many teachers with prominent backgrounds like Harvard University graduates.


In practice, however, the English teacher who taught Ms. Kim�s son was a 20-year-old high school graduate about to enter a state university in the U.S. Among the other four foreigners, three graduated from universities in Australia, and one graduated from Boston College. There was not a single Ivy League university graduate.


The math teachers also turned out to be students, not professional educators. A math teacher, who turned out to be a 28-year-old senior studying engineering, said, �The eight teachers were either graduate students or undergraduates. There were not any professional teachers.�


Disorganized classes and curriculum-


Classes could not proceed, because the teaching and studying material had not arrived even after the camp started. The English classes were put on hold for three days, while Korean math teachers purchased exercise books and handed out photocopied material. There were only math classes for three days.


The weekend curriculum also did not go as promised in the advertisements. Camp organizers had advertised that they would invite university students from the top schools to share their study methods, and professional teachers famous for their lectures intended to motivate students. The camp did not keep their promises during the first half of the camp. It invited one professional teacher, only after the parents protested.


Study abroad at an early age classes also in disarray-


Aside from the English camp, the �Arirang TV Session for a Successful Study Abroad at an Early Age� is also causing problems.


39 elementary and middle school students received a four-week lecture from foreign teachers and paid 500 million won to enter schools in the U.S., but this money was never passed on to the schools.


An employee at Arirang TV said, �Arirang TV runs neither the English camp nor the classes for students wishing to study abroad. We do not know of the problems, because we only allowed a company named, �International English Village Project� to use our name and received advertising fees in return.�


The employee went on to say that the amount of the advertising fees cannot be disclosed.


The parents of the students who took the early study abroad course already filed a suit against Mr. Chang, the International English Village Project, on charges of fraud to the Seocho Police Station in Seoul.


Mr. Chang went in hiding on October 1. He has withheld some 16 million won in wages from eight math teachers and still liabilities. Mr. Chang, who closed down his office, could not be contacted.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disorganisation? There is a shock
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr. Chang went in hiding on October 1. He has withheld some 16 million won in wages from eight math teachers and still liabilities. Mr. Chang, who closed down his office, could not be contacted.


There must be a commune of fugitive esl scammers living off the land somewhere on ulleung-do I guess.
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
There must be a commune of fugitive esl scammers living off the land somewhere on ulleung-do I guess.


No, no - Takeshima!
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Yo!Chingo



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, do you really think its right calling these people stupid and saying that they're getting what they deserve in your subject line? They're victims of a dishonest a$$hole and were investing in their children's futures. They shouldn't be insulted like that.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yo!Chingo wrote:
OP, do you really think its right calling these people stupid and saying that they're getting what they deserve in your subject line? They're victims of a dishonest a$$hole and were investing in their children's futures. They shouldn't be insulted like that.


They were told that all their kids teachers would be graduates of 'Ivy League' schools. How many Koreans even know what all the Ivy League schools are, and why would that necessarily make them superlative English teachers? They were idiots for believing that and thinking that way, and they're in a very large boat indeed in this country. Did they ask for references and / or think about the potential problems of sending their kids to an inaugural session of a camp? Probably not.

Here's an idea if you're a rich Korean - ask for references of past teachers and get a reasonably bi-lingual friend to contact them, asking what they, the former teachers who no longer have a business relationship with the camp, think about how the camp is run and if it's good value for the money. OMFG! What!? Take the foreign teachers' opinions into consideration? Hand over an ounce of decision-making power in anything to a foreigner in the field of private education?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, 95%+ of Korean parents are obstinate, obtuse idiots when it comes to their children's English education.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, 95%+ of Korean parents are obstinate, obtuse idiots when it comes to their children's English education.


I second that motion.
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, 95%+ of Korean parents are obstinate, obtuse idiots when it comes to their children's English education.


I second that motion.


Thirded. Paying that much money because of advertising promises. Fools and their money... parted. Ha ha.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would fourth it, but let's be fair. In Western countries they would at least be able to sue to get their money back. In Korea, corruption is so common place they would have to pay double in bribe money to the police, prosecutors and judges to get half their money back.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
In Korea, corruption is so common place they would have to pay double in bribe money to the police, prosecutors and judges to get half their money back.

National Intelligence Service director-designate Kim Seung-kyu, in a lecture he gave late in May when he was justice minister, said: "The three representative crimes of our country are perjury, libel and fraud." In simple comparison, not taking into account population ratio, South Korea saw 16 times as many perjury cases in 2003 than Japan, 39 times as many libel cases and 26 times as many instances of fraud. That is extraordinarily high given Japan's population is three times our own.
The common denominator of the three crimes is lying; in short, we live in a country of liars. The prosecution devotes 70 percent of its work to handling the three crimes, the former justice minister said.
A Country of Liars by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html

Corrupt Officials to Forfeit Bonuses
Currently, the maximum amount of annual bonus that public agency senior officials receive is about 160 million won. If such officials are caught and convicted of corruption in 2009, they will have to pay the approximately 480 million won that was paid out to them over three years.
by Hyun-Jin Park, Donga.com (March 13, 2006)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006031313528
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
I would fourth it, but let's be fair. In Western countries they would at least be able to sue to get their money back. In Korea, corruption is so common place they would have to pay double in bribe money to the police, prosecutors and judges to get half their money back.


Yet if a westerner told the parents what was really happening at the camp the directors might be able to sue him for loss of business.

With a legal system like Korea has, it's little wonder indeed that so many teachers and parents get completely screwed over.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An employee at Arirang TV said, �Arirang TV runs neither the English camp nor the classes for students wishing to study abroad. We do not know of the problems, because we only allowed a company named, �International English Village Project� to use our name and received advertising fees in return.�


I found this part particularly charming. Arirang has no problem letting this camp use their name and advertises for them, but takes no responsibility for knowing anything whatsoever about what goes on in the camp in their name. Nice to know they care about their reputation.
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
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An employee at Arirang TV said, �Arirang TV runs neither the English camp nor the classes for students wishing to study abroad. We do not know of the problems, because we only allowed a company named, �International English Village Project� to use our name and received advertising fees in return.�


I found this part particularly charming. Arirang has no problem letting this camp use their name and advertises for them, but takes no responsibility for knowing anything whatsoever about what goes on in the camp in their name. Nice to know they care about their reputation.


i thought that was funny too, like if they deny any knowledge, even though their name is stamped on there, they are completely innocent. great logic.
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