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Which teaching book do you prefer?

 
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CBP



Joined: 15 May 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Which teaching book do you prefer? Reply with quote

I've been encouraged to purchase one of the following books. I can only afford to purchase one and can't decide which would be more useful for a new teacher. They are:

"Learning Teaching," by Jim Scrivener

and

"How to Teach English," by Jeremy Harmer

Two classics -- both would be great, I'm sure -- but for good, practical learning, which would you recommend? (Scrivener's seems to have two formats; I can't tell the difference ... "New Tds Learning Teaching" and "Learning Teaching."

Thanks!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching English to Koreans by Oak, Martin, et al. is more applicable, but I doubt you'll find it if you're not already here. However, nothing will prepare you better than talking to people who have experience teaching in Korea. Each type of institution (kindergarten, good hogwan, bad hogwan, elementary, middle and high school, uni, tech. college, adult academy, etc.) requires a completely different approach, so it's very hard to know how best to prepare oneself ahead of time. Do you know if you'll be their only English teacher, if you'll teach half-and-half with a Korean, or if you'll just be supplementing the Korean teachers?

I'd save my money for the EFL bookshop in Korea after you've been on the job a few weeks and have a better idea what kind of programme you're actually teaching.
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CBP



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be teaching elementary and middle school students (some high school, I think) in a hogwan. There are no more than ten kids in each class, and I'm the only teacher for each class. One day the kids see me, the next they see one of the Korean teachers. It alternates like that. There are two foreigners teaching and four or so Korean teachers.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Which teaching book do you prefer? Reply with quote

CBP wrote:
I've been encouraged to purchase one of the following books. I can only afford to purchase one and can't decide which would be more useful for a new teacher. They are:

"Learning Teaching," by Jim Scrivener

and

"How to Teach English," by Jeremy Harmer

Two classics -- both would be great, I'm sure -- but for good, practical learning, which would you recommend? (Scrivener's seems to have two formats; I can't tell the difference ... "New Tds Learning Teaching" and "Learning Teaching."

Thanks!


Jeremy Harmer's book is good. If it is for work why don't you ask your director to pay for it?

ilovebdt
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBP wrote:
I'll be teaching elementary and middle school students (some high school, I think) in a hogwan. There are no more than ten kids in each class, and I'm the only teacher for each class. One day the kids see me, the next they see one of the Korean teachers. It alternates like that. There are two foreigners teaching and four or so Korean teachers.


So you'll be teaching the kids about 1/3 of the hogwan English they'll be learning. In addition, by the time they get to middle school, they'll be getting 3-5 45-minute lessons a week from their 'Grammar' / Vocab / Konglish teachers at middle school. Most TESL guidebooks, however, are written for teachers who will be a student's sole teacher, or who will teach English to the same students with along other native speakers. Many such books are also written for people who'll be teaching larger classes of adult students. For this reason you'll have to take any such advice you get from such books with a view to focusing more upon what the Korean teachers cannot or do not do. You won't have a very good idea of what they cannot and / or do not do until you actually see what they teach.

Unfortunately this may be an extremely academic attempt at self-improvement in any event. I hate to burst your bubble - you seem commendably enthusiastic - but at many if not most hogwans, you'll be given a crap curriculum, crap textbooks, and crap lesson plans you're expected to follow and not deviate from. You may also be following on the heels of a string of unproffessional foreign teachers who have done nothing but play games with and babysit the kids. You may be given zero support from the Korean staff, and won't even be aware that the kids are talking to you and about you using very disrespectful Korean or even swearing at you in Korean until months into your new job. When the kids are addressing you as they would a classmate and not even with the respect they'd show a student several years older than them, the level of co-operation may be such that your real challenge is to find anything at all that works rather than the superlative teaching methods for ideal situations.
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badfish



Joined: 06 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude he asked for a recommendation on choosing a book not a dissertation on the theory of the ins and outs of a hagwon


id take the first one i like the title better
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CBP



Joined: 15 May 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's dudette, Scales. And I rather enjoy dissertations.

All good points, lots to look forward to (I'm going to eat those words one of these days, so allow me my naivite (and misspelled words)). In my months of hanging out around here, I've gleaned a fair bit of information, and one thing's for sure: those kids will respect me or they're out of my class. One rule I'll have is NO Korean, even for the little ones. If they have something to say, then everyone should be privy to understanding it, especially me.

My experience has been that the toughest of the toughies respond fairly well to me, including a drug addicted kid from Harlem who was always in serious trouble. But I'm trying not to have too many preconceived ideas about kids in Korea. I want to be surprised, pleasantly or otherwise.

Back to the books, I've heard more about "Learning Teaching" than Harmer's book, although both are on the CELTA recommended list. Harmer's is less expensive, so I'll go with that. I'm also going to get Five Minute Activities, which has had good reviews.

Everything else I'll learn on the fly.

Thanks for the input. Razz
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

read them both, second book is more practical.
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