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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:07 pm    Post subject: Being rented/farmed out to other Hagwons... Reply with quote

Heya.

I already have a gut-instinct answer to my problem, but I'm curious as to other people's opinions.

Basically, my hagwon director says he is sending me to another hagwon 2 days a week because he cannot afford to pay my full salary (which is only a measly 1.9m anyway).

I said all right, but we'll need to go to immigration to get it sorted out, otherwise it'll be illegal. He said 'I know it's illegal, but we don't need to go to immigration. Let's just keep it secret. I've done this many times with other teachers.'

I was a little taken aback and didnt give a reply, I just nodded, somewhat confusedly (probably the reaction he expected/was hoping for... stupid waegoogin that doesn't stick up for himself..) I'll talk to him about it again today at work. I know I should probably walk away from this one and head home, but I'm reluctant to do so as my girlfriend is also here in Korea and her contract doesnt end until April.

So, I'll insist upon going to immigration. If he doesnt agree then I'll leave. I've also been toying with the idea of demanding more money if he's going to farm me out without any concern for my legal status.

Whaddya think?


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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GOign to immi is easy and painless to get this kind of thing done. Tell him you have to go to immi. It would really suck if you got caught and deported and your girlfriend was still working here. I don't know if asking for more money is a good idea since he says he can't pay you anyway, but you could ask for more vacation, better hours, or something else.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

choices...either demand 50,000 won an hour working at the other place OR....notify immi and watch the slimeball get fined up the wazoo....of course you could get nailed too!
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the quick replies.

Kat2: he hasn't told me how much the other hagwon will be paying me. If they're paying a decent sum then I want my proper share. Ie: I don't want my director pocketing any money that I earned. But maybe you're right about not demanding money. Vacation would be nice... I've been working six months and only received 2 days off.

Grotto: I'd love to nail him. But as you say I may get nailed too. Tricky tricky tricky Smile


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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Being rented/farmed out to other Hagwons... Reply with quote

The Hierophant wrote:
He said 'I know it's illegal, but we don't need to go to immigration. Let's just keep it secret. I've done this many times with other teachers.'

"What happens to YOU if I get caught with these illegal classes? Nothing.
What happens to ME if I get caught with these illegal classes? I'm fined and deported.
We go to Immigration, or I don't do the classes. Period."
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Being rented/farmed out to other Hagwons... Reply with quote

The Hierophant wrote:
Heya.

I pretty much already have a gut-instinct answer to my problem, but I'm curious as to other people's opinions.

Basically, my hagwon director says he is sending me to another hagwon 2 days a week because he cannot afford to pay my full salary (which is only a measly 1.9m anyway).

I said all right, but we'll need to go to immigration to get it sorted out, otherwise it'll be illegal. He said 'I know it's illegal, but we don't need to go to immigration. Let's just keep it secret. I've done this many times with other teachers.'

I was a little taken aback and didnt give a reply, I just nodded, somewhat confusedly (probably the reaction he expected/was hoping for... stupid waegoogin that doesn't stick up for himself..) I'll talk to him about it again today at work. I know I should probably walk away from this one and head home, but I'm reluctant to do so as my girlfriend is also here in Korea and her contract doesnt end until April.

So, I'll insist upon going to immigration. If he doesnt agree then I'll leave. I've also been toying with the idea of demanding more money if he's going to farm me out without any concern for my legal status.

Whaddya think?


Don't leave. Stay, he has to pay you even if you aren't working (so you can get some time to do nothing except look for new jobs). Let him lay you off or fire you, it's much easier.
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More good points. Thanks guys. I'll bring it up with him today and let you know how things go Smile
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I brought things up with him.

I said we must go to immigration, and that I want to know how much the other hagwon will pay me. I also want to see some sort of contract/employment agreement with the other hagwon.

My director completely blew me off and said "Let's talk later." Now he's ignoring me.

Things grow more interesting by the minute... Wink

And this from the man who said that 'We are family, you are my brother.' when I first arrived here.
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that your director's plan is to pay you nothing extra. You would still work the 30 hours (or whatever) that is in your contract, just at two places. Still making 1.9. I've seen this happen to a lot of people and this is usually the way it goes.

YOu can still ask for transportation pay, extra vacation, meals paid for, or something else though. Does your apartment suck? Ask for an upgrade.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hierophant wrote:
Well, I brought things up with him.

I said we must go to immigration, and that I want to know how much the other hagwon will pay me. I also want to see some sort of contract/employment agreement with the other hagwon.

My director completely blew me off and said "Let's talk later." Now he's ignoring me.

Things grow more interesting by the minute... Wink

And this from the man who said that 'We are family, you are my brother.' when I first arrived here.



Looks like he is trying to make extra money without going through the legal channels. Rolling Eyes
Does he have something to hide and that is why he is reluctant to go to immigration and ask permission?

ilovebdt
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Yesanman



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: Chungnam

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:


Looks like he is trying to make extra money without going through the legal channels. Rolling Eyes
Does he have something to hide and that is why he is reluctant to go to immigration and ask permission?

ilovebdt


I got to agree with this. It is very easy to go to Immigration and get permission for you to work at a second location. Costs 35,000 (I think) and one or two pages to fill out.
So why won't he do it?
Obviously the second school is NOT a foriegn language hakwon (not licensed , not legal, not allowed to hire foreigners). Thus he won't take you to Immigration to do the paperwork.
Be careful.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And this from the man who said that 'We are family, you are my brother.' when I first arrived here.


And as family I will not pay you to work, thats how family works....you do...hmmm favours for me....yeah thats it favours! You work at other schools and I make more money...thats a favour!
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you just ask your boss to lay you off if he can't afford to pay you measely 1.9 million. Ask for release letter.

Just refuse to work at another school. Get laid off and get a better job paying 2.2 million which is the going rate these days.
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alabamaman



Joined: 25 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Letter of release Reply with quote



Letter of Consent to Release Foreign English Teacher


Name of Teacher:


Teacher's Address:


Telephone Number:


Nationality:


Passport Number:


(Your name) has worked at (Name of school) from (start date) until (finish date) in the position of Foreign English teacher. I, (Name of boss), (Position of Name of School), herewith release (employee) from (his/her) labor contract effective _____/_____/_____ . Furthermore, I consent to (Your name) working for another English academy.


Dated:


School name:


School address:


School telephone number:


Employer signature:


Employee signature:


Witness signature:


Registered Stamp:


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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hierophant wrote:
My director completely blew me off and said "Let's talk later." Now he's ignoring me.

Well, when it's time to go to the other school, and you're just sitting there not moving... he'll stop ignoring you.
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