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[n3ptne]

*beep* Nirvana
There I said it, and it's something thats needed saying for a long time: *beep* Nirvana.

Comon now, don't be like that. I own their albums. I listened. But we both know they were all about image, not music. Granted they were significantly popular and had catchy tunes... but for the love of God they didn't have any talent whatsoever.

Three chords and lyrics that didn't even border on coherent, and it wasn't as if they were incoherent in an intelligent way:

Here we are now
Entertain us
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Yea

Comon.

Worse yet they didn't actually stand for a fucking thing. That's the truth. The whole grunge "movement" was shit, hinged on the theory of doing exactly the opposite of popular movements of the time. The fact Grunge was a total rip off of already existing movements creates a circle jerk of an argument too stupid to contemplate the depths of. It didn't go anywhere and the only thing it accomplished was setting off a tidal wave of similar talentless hack impersonators who crowded mainstream airwaves for a decade and counting. That's all Nirvana did.

They were the first band that record executives decided to prepackage and sell to society at large that was so flagrantly different from the other prepackaged shit they were already hocking on the radio that they became a huge success.

Music for dumb people with money. Zappa was right.

Did they influence geniuses? Yes.
Were they themselves? *beep* no.
Does that alone justify their existence in the eschelons of Rock history? Yes, a very low one.
Does it necessitate that they had talent? Nope.

You have the right to listen, and like, any kind of music you want even if it's sold in a box and microwaveable. Forget about the larger picture of how so doing affects music as a whole and dance to whatever tripe you like. Really it's ok, I still nod along when I hear a couple of their tunes, but I swear to God I'm going off on the next *beep* to tell me how great Nirvana was. Kiss my ass.

[ChopChaeJoe]

I don't know about that. At the time, rock was in a very bad place. Boy bands and hip hop were running the charts. Nirvana made rock dangerous again. I think metallia released an album about the same time, but other than that, not much was happening in the rock scene, at least above the local level.

Think about those goofy beatles lyrics: i am the egg-man, coo-coo-ca-chu.

What the hell does that mean?

Why Don't we Do it in the Road? Okay, more clarity, but hardly Keats.

Not every uitar player can be Fripp or hendrix. Cobain did just fine with his limited talents -- encouraged thousands of kids to pick up the guitar and actually be able to play something.

[Son Deureo!]

What does this have to do with Korea?

[gang ah jee]

Y'know, I used to like Nirvana until I realised that they were responsible for Nickelback. Now I wish they had never existed.

[n3ptne]

[jinju]

Ill take simple and to the point over pointlessly "fancy" pretentious crap like Radiohead anyday of the week.

[n3ptne]

Comparing The White Album to Nirvana is a sin.... but...

"I was up on a flat roof meditating [in India, with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi] and I'd see a troupe of monkeys walking along and the male just hopped onto her back and gave her one, as they say in the vernacular. Within two or three seconds he hopped off again, and looked around as if to say, 'it wasn't me,' and she looked around as if there had been some kind of mild disturbance but thought, huh, I must have imagined it. And I thought, bloody hell, that puts it all into a cocked hat, that's how simple the act of procreation is, this bloody monkey just hopping on and off. There is an urge, they do it, and it's done with. It's that simple." - McCartney commenting on the lyrics for "Why Don't We Do It In The Road".

"It never dawned on me that Lewis Carroll was commenting on the capitalist and social system. I never went into that bit about what he really meant, like people are doing with the Beatles' work. Later, I went back and looked at it and realized that the walrus was the bad guy in the story and the carpenter was the good guy. I thought, Oh, s--t, I picked the wrong guy. I should have said, 'I am the carpenter.' But that wouldn't have been the same, would it?" - Lennon commenting on how "I Am The Walrus" was written with the express intent of misleading people who were trying to understand his lyrics.

"I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off The Pixies." - Cobain commenting on the "meaning" of Smells Like Teen Spirit

I shall reiterate my original contention... *beep* Nirvana.

[gang ah jee]

[Tiger Beer]

[RACETRAITOR]

Music really isn't about talent. Otherwise we'd all be listening to classical music, metal, and the Seoul Penetrators.

I think soul is more important in music than talent. Nirvana is responsible for adding a bit more soul into music and also for taking a large amount of soul out of music.

[n3ptne]

[Demophobe]

Nirvana was a rejection and silencing of the hair metal that polluted the airwaves through the '80s. Crap like this:
Motley Crue
Cinderella
Dokken
Faster Pussycat
L.A. Guns
Poison
Ratt
Skid Row
Slaughter
Tesla
Twisted Sister
Warrant
White Lion
Whitesnake..

Nirvana was a good band. The OP is putting the exact burdens on them that Cobain disdained. What are you looking for? Religion?

Give it a rest...they were a rock band, man. They played the right chords at the right time to tune with a generation, like many other bands that have come and gone. They were cool - cooler live than on record - but they were certainly a phenomenon both culturally and musically.

In Utero was a fine piece of work; a complete rejection of themselves.

Bo Diddley only used 3 chords.

[n3ptne]

A rejection of mainstream crap music by flagrantly copying off other bands?

Lovely.

So does Tom Petty... the difference is that Bo Diddley and Tom Petty are geniuses and Cobain was an idiot who killed himself because his "rejection of mainstream pop culture became mainstream pop culture irregardless of the fact he had no active role in developing or inventing his rejection in the first place".

I don't want religion. I want motivation, purpose, and art.

[n3ptne]

Oh, lest I forget originality, creativity and some degree of meaning...

[pastis]

n3ptne, you have no idea what you're talking about. Since you most likely have *zero* musical talent yourself, there's nothing more for you to say. Nirvana was a good band, Kurt Cobain had a great voice and he had a lot to communicate (their live performances were thrilling). The songs were simple, sure, but *good sounding* pop/rock tunes are the most difficult to write anyway (as opposed to pretentious long-winded opuses etc.). If you can do better, go join a band.

In the meatime kindly stop being a wa-nker and do something useful. Or else shut up.