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[Ya-ta Boy]

[EFLtrainer]

While I support in no way the sectarian violence gripping Iraq, ya-ta, your trite response is a disservice to the the issue and those that might stumble onto this thread.

Is it not getting time for sober discussions about these sober topics? While it seemed there was little or not chance to end this debacle short of Dumbya and Cheney having matching heart attacks, the situation is potential changing via the November elections. When you have no choice but to cut your foot off to escape your imprisonment, perhaps black humor and sarcasm are a good defense against bleak reality. But, now, if we mobilize, we could revoke the Bush cadre "mandate" to remake the world in a foul image. If that becomes the new reality, sober thinking is required. There are serious issues at hand.

Do we create special investigation after special investigation to correct the massive destruction the Republican Congress has wrought on the world, our future and our freedoms? Or, do we let bygones be bygones in the name of moving forward and simply reverse course?

What do we do about Peak Oil? Chevron, or one of the big oil companies currently has ads basically admitting Peak Oil is here: Won't you join us? is the tag line to the need to conserve. How do we retool and provide sufficient energy if Peak Oil is, indeed, upon us without massive disruption to the global socio-economic fabric?

What about the Muslim/Christian and/or Fundamentalist/centrist struggle? Is this a schism that can be defused to sustainable levels that will alllow the continued advancement of societies, or are we looking at a struggle that is going to engulf the globe and suck away such a large amount of resources - in conjunction with GW and PO - that we are on the verge of a new Dark Ages (albeit different in form, but possibly as deep relative to today's development)?

Further afield: Global Warming. Can something be done to ameliorate the effects? Do we need to plan the wholesale relocation of tens nee hundreds of millions of people, or do we let Darwinism do what it has always done?

Perhaps we are getting past the point where flippancy is really affordable. Are these serious times for serious people?

So, why are people dying in Iraq? Is it due to malitias simply being evil? Or is it more complex than that? Is it not because we, the people of the United States of America, elected a cadre to office - or allowed them to steal it? Is it not due to the desire to control the world's flow of oil during the first years of Peak Oil? Is it not due to a desire for the dawning of the New American Century and domination of all things economic and political? Is it not due to lie piled upon lie and justified with more lies?

Or is it really just two groups waging religious war against each other?

[Kuros]

[cwemory]

[ddeubel]

[bucheon bum]

people excusing suicide bombers. and some wonder why left-wingers are accused of being morally bankrupt.

DD, are you THAT naive? Do you really think those attacks on markets don't intentionally kill women and children? If you do, I am going to be rude but it needs to be said: get your head out of your ass.

[ddeubel]

[Ya-ta Boy]

DD

You seem to be hung up on my use of the word 'statement' and that I used it as shorthand rather than writing a 250 word double-spaced essay. I think my main point is that no matter what your ideal is, you have no right to committ serial mass murder to achieve that goal.

[bucheon bum]

[Ya-ta Boy]

Turn-about is fair play, BB. You've often done the same for me.

[jhaelin]

as we mull over the 'tit for tat' sectarian violence ravaging iraq, with mounting civilian death tolls, and begin to question who's to blame for creating or escalating the situation...

we should consider that little incident which has almost disapeared from our media memory:
of two British Special Forces (SAS) caught in Basra with explosives and weapons in a car, wearing arab disquises (long robes, wigs). they were caught after shooting and killing iraqi police who were chasing them as car bomb suspects. most of you may remember only the British response to this incident. which was when the British army stormed the police prison they were being held in (conveniently before any thorough questioning).

in true "1984" fashion, we rarely hear mention of this. We must rather rely upon independent internet sources to consider the role, impact and importance of "false flag" operations in Iraq.

http://physics911.ca/Compilation:_British_Forces_Conduct_False-Flag_Bombings_in_Iraq
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/200905stagedterror.htm

also consider that "golden" mosque bombing that occured in Samarra and was the flash point of the current sectarian 'civil war'. no suspects ever caught, only rumors and usual blame upon Zarqawi at the time.

although no clear evidence exists to substantiate either the official or alternative interpretation of these events, we should consider the following pattern. the destabilzation of any key strategic area in the World has been followed by the justification and solidification of US military presence in the destabilized regions.
Hmmmm, coincidence, or "Resource War" strategy?

[Junior]

As I said right at the start-(3 years back, to the laughter of people on this board) another vietnam...

You can't win a war surrounded by people who may or may not be the enemy and you have no way of knowing. You just become an easy target for cowardly attacks.

Partition the country. the best thing to come out of this would be to create a kurdistan at long last.
Then get out of there and devote forces to better-needed conflicts.

[mithridates]

[ddeubel]