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thepeel
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 Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: Sense in Sweden |
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The Sunday Times October 22, 2006
Sweden's Muslim minister turns on veil
Nyamko Sabuni, 37, has caused a storm as Sweden�s new integration and equality minister by arguing that all girls should be checked for evidence of female circumcision; arranged marriages should be criminalised; religious schools should receive no state funding; and immigrants should learn Swedish and find a job.
�Nowhere in the Koran does it state that a child should wear a veil; it stops them being children. By putting a veil on a girl you are immediately saying to the outside world that she is sexually mature and has to be covered. It�s wrong,� she said.
Muslim groups in Sweden are already organising a petition to have her removed from government. �I regret that Muslims feel I am a threat to them,� she said. �Everybody has a right to practise their religion, but I will never accept religious oppression. And I represent the whole of society, not just the Muslims.�
Despite her ascendancy in her adopted country, Sabuni says that Sweden, where immigrants � half of them Muslims � make up nearly 12% of the population, has been only moderately successful at integration: �We have a whole underclass of people who don�t have jobs, who don�t speak the language and who are living on the fringes of society.� |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2415525,00.html
I think this is a very healthy development. Europeans insisting that immigrants assimilate today makes mass violence later much less likely. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Sense in Sweden |
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The Sunday Times October 22, 2006
Sweden's Muslim minister turns on veil
Nyamko Sabuni, 37, has caused a storm as Sweden�s new integration and equality minister by arguing that all girls should be checked for evidence of female circumcision; arranged marriages should be criminalised; religious schools should receive no state funding; and immigrants should learn Swedish and find a job.
�Nowhere in the Koran does it state that a child should wear a veil; it stops them being children. By putting a veil on a girl you are immediately saying to the outside world that she is sexually mature and has to be covered. It�s wrong,� she said.
Muslim groups in Sweden are already organising a petition to have her removed from government. �I regret that Muslims feel I am a threat to them,� she said. �Everybody has a right to practise their religion, but I will never accept religious oppression. And I represent the whole of society, not just the Muslims.�
Despite her ascendancy in her adopted country, Sabuni says that Sweden, where immigrants � half of them Muslims � make up nearly 12% of the population, has been only moderately successful at integration: �We have a whole underclass of people who don�t have jobs, who don�t speak the language and who are living on the fringes of society.� |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2415525,00.html
I think this is a very healthy development. Europeans insisting that immigrants assimilate today makes mass violence later much less likely. |
I agree that religious schools of all religious backgrounds whether Lutheran, Jewish, or Islamic should receive school funding from the government. They should definitely have a certain elementary level of Swedish before they can be citizens. As far as female circumcisions and inspecting all these females that is going too far. As far as female circumcision that is not practiced in the countries where most Muslims immigrate to Sweden. The Kurdish, Syrian, Lebanese, and Jordan Muslims do not practice it. It is practiced in many Islamic communities in Africa including Egypt. Male circumcision, however, is universal. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Male and female circumcision are similar only in name. The female variety should not be permitted in Western nations. What they want to do in their own screwed up caves is up to them, but we have to draw a line in the sand.
It is abuse of women to the extreme. It robs them of their ability to feel (largely) sexual pleasure....how unlike muslim men to want to do that...
Cover your women so she can't be seen -- keeps other men away.
Keep your women indoors -- keeps other men away
Keep her from being educated -- prevents her from being able to function economically away from a man
Cut off her clitoris -- ensures that she will have Zero desire to have sex (except when her husband demands, as then she has a religious duty to open up, bite her lip and dream of allah (hakuna mattada)).
Beat the living hell out of her regularly -- keeps her afraid and submissive.
The female circumcision, also known as female genital mutilation, must not be tolerated in any way. It is barbaric and those who do it barbarians and those who have it done to them are victims of a sex-crime.
And most muslim immigrants to Sweden, as I understand it, are from Somalia. Not the Arab nations you mentioned. |
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