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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: Guardian rep? |
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Can anyone give me an idea of what kind of reputation the Guardian has as a newspaper? Political leanings, highbrow vs. for the masses, etc. |
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whitebeagle

Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Left leaning, English paper, 3rd most popular broadsheet (as opposed to tabloid) in UK. Has a reputation for being liberal and artsy, although no where near as much as The Independent. Not as accessible as The Times, but less wordy than The Telegraph. Traditionally a Socialist paper but certainly gives Tony Blair a hard time.
The British national press which is quite far removed from other countries i have been to in terms of variety (low brow www.thesun.co.uk, high brow www.ft.com), aggressive marketing (free dvds/posters on covers, it was buena vista social club last week) and political spectrum (right wing Telegraph through to left wing Independent).
The website (guardian.co.uk) is excellent and regarded as one of the best online newspaper sites (won awards, etc). My paper of choice. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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It strikes me as knee-jerk leftist. No real thought. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Cool guest writers:
Losing the faith
Thom Yorke
Monday September 8, 2003
The Guardian
The west is creating an extremely dangerous economic, environmental and humanitarian timebomb. We are living beyond our means. The poorest countries need to trade on fair terms with us if they are ever to get off their knees. Handouts are no longer the answer.
When the WTO started out, poor countries were spun the line that they could gain access to western markets if they signed up to a pro-business agenda - even though that agenda was potentially at the cost of their already suffering populations.
The west has not fulfilled its part in those agreements. It has reneged on its agreement to cut subsidies to its own farmers, and rules on intellectual property rights mean drugs are too expensive and 30,000 people die every day as a direct consequence. When developing countries export to the west they have to pay tariffs four times that between western countries themselves, costing �63bn per year.
Why?
Western governments, as they increasingly lose their grip on the reality of the situation, see the key to fixing these problems (that they have helped to create) to be... more liberalisation.
This, to me, feels like a bus full of religious lunatics rolling into town singing free trade songs and banging tambourines as war and famine break out and all about them turns to shit. It's nonsense. Why should the most desperate continue to cooperate with such fools when they increasingly have nothing left to lose? They are not seeing the so-called benefits but they are seeing too much of the costs.
This sort of free trade capitalism is a faith. A faith against all the odds. Nowadays it seems to have taken on the authority of the word of God, as if it has always been thus. But all it is really is a set of trade rules that should and could benefit all, and could be changed. Why should it be a corrupt protection racket?
There must be a change to trade rules in favour of the poor and the environment. International human rights must be respected. There must be corporate accountability so that multinationals are taken to task over corruption, human rights and environment abuses.
What the developing countries need is to be able to protect the livelihoods of their own farmers and allow their industries to develop.
Increasingly the effects of such globalisation make it clear the only ones benefiting are the multinational corporations, who have the ear of our governments and are having their free trade cake and eating it. They make sure any rules affecting their "freedoms" are first on the agenda at the WTO.
Poor countries are told this is free trade - this is the way we succeeded, this is how we built our great capitalist system.
The amnesia and hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Even the World Bank now admits that a nation's economy needs protection for it to grow in its early stages of development, just as it did in the UK, US and Asia. The constant mantra of the "trickle-down" effect of wealth creation is comical. It's so last week, dahling.
What the poorest countries need are specific policies that improve their situation in their terms.
When I got involved in Jubilee 2000, and tried to persuade governments, the IMF and the World Bank to cancel the unpayable debts it seemed like a reasonably fair thing to ask.
The situation was so utterly ridiculous I didn't believe they would deny us. But they did.
They found every excuse they could, but the only reason that I could find was that the west cannot shake its need to control the rest of the planet in any way it can. They cannot shake off this colonial attitude. In order to keep order they have to have fingers permanently wrapped around throats.
Debt burdens are a beautifully tight noose, and now, even better, they have the WTO to do the dirty work for them.
Poor countries at the WTO have been too scared to speak out, for fear of making their situation worse, and they are outnumbered. Sometimes countries cannot afford to send even one representative to the WTO meetings. Yet the EU can send 500. Much of the agenda is still decided by the rich nations in closed meetings. The WTO, thus far, has been hijacked.
But I think this is the turning point. This is a crossroads in the global economic system. Do we carry on preaching this free unfettered trade garbage or do we admit our mistakes and try to do the right thing for once?
The Trade Justice Movement states that if Africa, east Asia, south Asia and Latin America could increase their share of world exports by 1% it would lift 128 million people out of poverty. Just how difficult is that?
� Thom Yorke (lead singer of Radiohead), on my small soapbox in a hotel bathroom in Washington DC. |
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Interested

Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It strikes me as knee-jerk leftist. No real thought. |
That seems a bit of a knee-jerk response.
I would argue that it is often The Guardian that gives the most rational repsonse when a certain issue is being treated in a 'knee-jerk' way by the rest of the British press, including The Times and The Telegraph.
Also bear in mind that from a US perspective, it is a very left wing paper...from a European perspective it is not seen as such - more centrist. It's hardly the Socialsit Worker. It will often give differing perspectives on an issue. Certainly I know of many Americans who are grateful for the on-line version as they can have access to information that has been selectively 'disallowed' in the US press - and can also get a fresh opinion on a matter.
It tends to have a middle class readership - teachers, lecturers and the like. Young tories would opt for The Times or The Telegraph. It's a very well respected 'highbrow' paper of international standing.
I'd hate to do without it myself. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It strikes me as knee-jerk leftist. No real thought. |
You've just done freedom of speech a great injustice there.
To the dubiously-named Cucumber Girl, Guardian can be considered similar to the BBC - educated left. |
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whitebeagle

Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Guardian can be considered similar to the BBC - educated left. |
A very good summary.
As has been mentioned, the Guardian is hardly the furthest left in the political press spectrum in England.
It does however often get this kind of reaction
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It strikes me as knee-jerk leftist. No real thought. |
from the Daily Mail-reading, asylum seeker-fearing, anti-EU, middle England masses.
Not a paper with much time for Mr Bush. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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SPINOZA wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It strikes me as knee-jerk leftist. No real thought. |
You've just done freedom of speech a great injustice there.
To the dubiously-named Cucumber Girl, Guardian can be considered similar to the BBC - educated left. |
Thanks for all this interesting discussion. Can anyone compare it to a point in the American media? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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OiGirl wrote: |
SPINOZA wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It strikes me as knee-jerk leftist. No real thought. |
You've just done freedom of speech a great injustice there.
To the dubiously-named Cucumber Girl, Guardian can be considered similar to the BBC - educated left. |
Thanks for all this interesting discussion. Can anyone compare it to a point in the American media? |
Dunno really. As you probably are more familiar with the US media than me, make up your own mind at guardian.co.uk
My prejudiced and snobby guess, however, is no. I reckon the US doesn't have anything as liberal as The Guardian that's somewhat mainstream. Stuff that makes the mainstream liberal press in Europe would be dismissed as Muslim-loving, anti-semitic, commie, hippie sewage by most Americans, I feel. |
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Interested

Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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OiGirl wrote: |
Thanks for all this interesting discussion. Can anyone compare it to a point in the American media? |
No, I've read the more prominent mainstream papers in the US - and they all seem to tow the 'corporate' line. The Guardian is somewhat independent unlike mainstream US press (and most of the British press for that matter). I know a lot of US citizens claim that reading the online Guardian was the only way they could get a really balanced view of what was going on post 911 - their own press was too cowed.
It's not as far right as The New York Times and not as far left as Z Magazine. However, in The Guardian you're regularly likely to find articles that would be at home in one or the other of those 2 publications.
Read it http://www.guardian.co.uk and decide for yourself. |
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