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[Octavius Hite]

This is just sad:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-King-George.wmv

[Meegook]

What's even worse is no one seems to care, yet.

[ddeubel]

Good read and he writes very well and to the point.

The point being that once again in America's history, it is under threat from within, by those who would forsake her most fought for and time honoured values. Under threat from those who wish to be above LAW and who deem to know who is right/wrong and who is guilty / innocent, by mere office, not authority.

Time America starts looking at this seriously. I was truly ashamed at the awh, shucks , yee haw of that Bush, Cheney , Rumsfeld barbeque, congratulating each other on this....

I started a thread also at

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=68715

DD

[Meegook]

Keith Obermann and
JONATHAN TURLEY, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR:

"Does that not basically mean that if Mr. Bush or Mr. Rumsfeld say so, anybody in this country, citizen or not, innocent or not, can end up being an unlawful enemy combatant?

TURLEY: It certainly does. In fact, later on, it says that if you even give material support to an organization that the president deems connected to one of these groups, you too can be an enemy combatant.

And the fact that he appoints this tribunal is meaningless. You know, standing behind him at the signing ceremony was his attorney general, who signed a memo that said that you could torture people, that you could do harm to them to the point of organ failure or death.

So if he appoints someone like that to be attorney general, you can imagine who he's going be putting on this board.

OLBERMANN: Does this mean that under this law, ultimately the only thing keeping you, I, or the viewer out of Gitmo is the sanity and honesty of the president of the United States?

TURLEY: It does. And it's a huge sea change for our democracy. The framers created a system where we did not have to rely on the good graces or good mood of the president. In fact, Madison said that he created a system essentially to be run by devils, where they could not do harm, because we didn't rely on their good motivations.

Now we must. And people have no idea how significant this is. What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."

http://www.rense.com/general73/ekei.htm

[Meegook]

It's getting worse by the day:

FBI director wants ISPs to track users

USA Today/Declan McCullagh | October 18 2006

FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year.

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. "We must find a balance between the legitimate need for privacy and law enforcement's clear need for access."

Notice how clever they work? Coupling "violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," with terrorism activity. Who's going to be against the former? And it's the government who is behind most of the terrorist attacks, so it's the wolf calling the sheep the perpetrators.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/181006trackusers.htm

Watch and listen to Keith Olbermann tell it like it is. How much longer will he ba ble to do so?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/191006Countdown.htm

[EFLtrainer]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/061019184615.t6zkjo4d.html

[Meegook]

"I can guarantee you that an overwhelming majority of Americans have no idea what their Congress just did to them. Would they really agree to give up their right to a fair trial? Or any trial for that matter? Would they really be in favor of stripping away core constitutional protections against arbitrary and indefinite detention and an all powerful executive? Would they really want to take down one of the founding principles of Western civilization - the writ of habeas corpus established in the Magna Carta in 1215? We'll never know because they don't even know.

All the public knows is what the headlines read - Bush Says He Will Keep Us Safe! "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/fire-the-editors-updat_b_32082.html

[ddeubel]

Well I think nobody in America gives a rats ass..............

Eliot that transported Brit had it right, "it goes out with a wimper, not a bang..."

Time to get a gun
that's what I've been thinkin"
I could afford one
If I did just a little
less drinking'
-- Fred J Eaglesmith

DD

when they finally come for the Gm grease monkey it will be too late, to paraphrase the famous....first they came for the....

[On the other hand]

[ddeubel]

[Meegook]

Actually, I think applause is more appropriate:

"So this is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause." Padme

[Milwaukiedave]

Adams
Wilson
FDR
Bush

History repeats itself. I found this on YouTube. It really make you wonder what our country, my country has become:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJogu4Rr1_A

[ddeubel]

Yes, makes you wonder. Necessary viewing and his level of anger is only in proportion to the amount of wool pulled over our eyes.

I read his speech in the IHT about a week ago. Much more powerful the way he delivers it.

My assessment? Age old, happened throughout history. Bread and circuses. Keep 'em busy, half way entertained and the rest is up to you, for your spoils and manipulation. Most importantly, keep those that would try to get the message out to the people -- busy. Paid off, rewarded and in your pocket.

DD

And let's speak directly to Bush's lies and Cheney's own words of torture. Bush says, "we don't torture". Lies, more lies, damn lies and shameful a president can get up there and act like he is making a cheezie commercial and trying to get the audience to see it is healthy for you.

[Moldy Rutabaga]

Makes me think of the "rough beast slouching towards Bethlehem" (different poet).

America has had a history of recovering from these trials, just as they did at the end of Watergate when people realized they'd elected a crook for a president. Mid-term elections are coming, and hopefully stories like this rile up more people. I didn't agree with all of Reagan's policies, but he gave people a lot of new faith in America; we could use that. If not, this sort of slide into empire brought the breakup of Roman power.

Boy, power corrupts. Can anyone, even Bush himself, imagine that things would come to this, where people seriously debate and try to legitimize such practices?

Ken:>