View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:44 am Post subject: Its ok to kill gays |
|
|
Or so says this British Imam.
Notice that he says that it is an Islamic punishment.
Again, he is an Imam, not some dude on the street. A religious preacher.
Quote: |
The leading imam in Manchester, confirms that he thinks the execution of sexually active gay men is justified, the rights group Outrage reported.
Arshad Misbahi of the Manchester Central Mosque confirmed his views in a conversation to John Casson, a local psychotherapist.
Casson said: "I asked him if the execution of gay Muslims in Iran and Iraq was an acceptable punishment in Sharia law, or the result of culture, not religion.
"He told me that in a true Islamic state, such punishments were part of Islam: If the person had had a trial, at which four witnesses testified that they had seen the actual homosexual acts."
"I asked him what would be the British Muslim view? He repeated that in an Islamic state these punishments were justified. They might result in the deaths of thousands but if this deterred millions from having sex, and spreading disease, then it was worthwhile to protect the wider community."
"I checked again that this was not a matter of tradition, culture or local prejudice. 'No,' he said, 'It is part of the central tenets of Islam: that sex outside marriage is forbidden; this is stated in the Koran and the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had stated that these punishments were due to such behaviours.'" |
http://www.gcn.ie/content/templates/newsupdate.aspx?articleid=1409&zoneid=4
Ok, so, who is going to be the first to change the subject today? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
Ok, so, who is going to be the first to change the subject today? |
Me me!! Can I?? Please? Huh huh?
Quote: |
Casual drug users should be taken out and shot. Smoke a joint, lose your life."
-- former Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates, September 5, 1990
(founder of D.A.R.E. program)
|
http://www.uudpr.org/involved.htm
If you would care to explain the difference between the Imam's' worldview and that of the Mr. Gates, and why we should be more concerned about the Imam in 2006 than we were about Gates in 1990, I'd be happy to listen. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ok.
The Imam is a religious authority whose words are taken as direct examples of the Will Of God. He holds an audience of many thousands of people and his views are mainstream.
The horrible quote you dragged out of the nether regions of the internet are from a Police Authority who has zero religious authority and who nobody thinks is speaking with the authority of god.
God is the essential difference. Another is that Islam is an organized religion and this police Chief is a lone quack.
Lastly, GAYS ACTUALLY GET KILLED IN THE MUSLIM WORLD. It isn't a hypothetical. The L.A. Police Dept (though I'm sure like all pigs they are horribly corrupt) don't have as policy killing drug users.
Lastly, one was said 16 years ago, and the other this week.
Hows that? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
On the other hand wrote: |
If you would care to explain the difference between the Imam's' worldview and that of the Mr. Gates, and why we should be more concerned about the Imam in 2006 than we were about Gates in 1990, I'd be happy to listen. |
OTOH, this has to be a subject change for fun, no? I can only assume it's part of some CE forum in-joke that I have not had the chance to be party to. No? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
While his views are pretty predominate in the muslim world there is an even more prevelant one:
"Women are for babies, men are for fun". I have heard this from plenty of Arab and Muslim men and there are no shortage of gay men to be found in the muslim world, the difference is they have to hide it. My father served with the UN in Egypt, Israel, Syria and Cypress. One night he and the guys went out to what they were told was a strip joint in Damascus, it turns out that the stripping involved a woman and a donkey lowered from the ceiling.
The point to all this ranting???? We (gays) were here before Mohammed and his tales, and before Jesus and his tales and we survived the Nazi's (there are currently 6 known homosexual victims of the holocaust alive in Europe today) and we will be here long after all religions disappear into the dustbin of history.
So let this raving lunatic say whatever he wants because it doesn't change anything. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
I find this amazing.
No matter what they say and what they do people will defend them. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
Me me!! Can I?? Please? Huh huh?
|
Damn you, OTOH; damn, damn, damn you. You beat me to it! I HATE it when that happens.
BJ...whatever,
(BTW, on this topic I especially enjoy your ID);
You must know as well as anyone that gays are a 'newly cool' minority in (some segments of) the West. Name any progressive society you want to, and I think I can come up with a neighborhood where gays are at risk of their life if they openly admit their orientation, and you know it is true. We are not talking about a difference as such between the West and any other part of the world; we are only talking about a matter of degrees.
Get off your high horse. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
So, what he said is A-OK, because Gays can be attacked anywhere??? Would you teach your children ethics like this?
Lets take one example and see if you would have acted differently in this situation.
1) A Nazi in Germany says Muslims can be killed and god demands it.
2) Would you You point out that Muslims can be attacked in parts of France and declare that I'm on a high horse for feelings of concern about the Muslims? Would you point out that Muslims are just "trendy"?
So, an Imam says "Killing gays in ok".
I post about it.
You tell me to get off my high horse and declare gays "trendy" and apparently not worth my worry.
Back to you. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Name any progressive society you want to, and I think I can come up with a neighborhood where gays are at risk of their life if they openly admit their orientation, and you know it is true. |
New Zealand.
I don't think I agree that this is your common/garden homophobia Ya-ta. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
The really amazing and disgusting thing is that I post about this dude saying Killing Gays is OK and yata attacks me... I just cannot get my head around that kind of disregard for the safety and life of others.
He makes no statement about how it is a horrible thing to say, or that, I dunno, gays ought not be killed. He just attacks me.. And calls them "trendy" as if to dismiss their validity as humans.
I'm to be attacked for feeling ill at the suggestion that gays can be killed. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
nasigoreng

Joined: 14 May 2004
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
BJWD wrote: |
The really amazing and disgusting thing is that I post about this dude saying Killing Gays is OK and yata attacks me... I just cannot get my head around that kind of disregard for the safety and life of others.
He makes no statement about how it is a horrible thing to say, or that, I dunno, gays ought not be killed. He just attacks me.. And calls them "trendy" as if to dismiss their validity as humans.
I'm to be attacked for feeling ill at the suggestion that gays can be killed. |
I know what you mean. It kinda makes me think that killing gays isn't really that big a deal. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
Octavius Hite wrote: |
While his views are pretty predominate in the muslim world there is an even more prevelant one:
"Women are for babies, men are for fun". I have heard this from plenty of Arab and Muslim men and there are no shortage of gay men to be found in the muslim world, the difference is they have to hide it. My father served with the UN in Egypt, Israel, Syria and Cypress. One night he and the guys went out to what they were told was a strip joint in Damascus, it turns out that the stripping involved a woman and a donkey lowered from the ceiling.
The point to all this ranting???? We (gays) were here before Mohammed and his tales, and before Jesus and his tales and we survived the Nazi's (there are currently 6 known homosexual victims of the holocaust alive in Europe today) and we will be here long after all religions disappear into the dustbin of history.
So let this raving lunatic say whatever he wants because it doesn't change anything. |
However, if a Christian says that homosexuality is a sin then throw him into jail or penalize him? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
No not at all, say all you want, but don't expect my country to change its constitution to serve a book you believe to be special, equality for all. Freedom to say whatever you want no matter how ignorant or hateful it may or may not be. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Octavius Hite wrote: |
No not at all, say all you want, but don't expect my country to change its constitution to serve a book you believe to be special, equality for all. Freedom to say whatever you want no matter how ignorant or hateful it may or may not be. |
You are Canadian right?
If so then maybe this might surprise you,
On guard we stand |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
|
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
These come close enough and I like them:
"Many of those people involved with Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together." Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," January 21, 1993
"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," January 18, 1995
So as a Christian, and you did grow up in a Judeo-Christian culture, how do you feel about these statements? Keep in mind that Robertson had an audience of 863,000 when he said these things. Clearly gays want to throw around AIDS-tainted blood and infect other people, especially ministers. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|