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Mashimaro
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 Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: Do people want to know the truth? |
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"[The masses] have never thirsted after truth. They
demand illusions, and cannot do without them.
They constantly give what is unreal precedence over
what is real; they are almost as strongly
influenced by what is untrue as by what is true.
They have an evident tendency not to distinguish
between the two."
�SIGMUND FREUD
Sums it up pretty nicely don't you think? |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: Re: Do people want to know the truth? |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
Sums it up pretty nicely don't you think? |
This board? definitely. |
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SPINOZA
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Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Pretty poor fare from Freud there in my opinion, but if he's having a pop at Christianity, good for him.
The truth of our propositions - some objective guarantor that makes propositions such as brutality is wrong, the Sun constitutes 98% of the mass of the Solar System and 2 plus 2 is 4 true is extremely important to humans. Otherwise, our propositions, our beliefs and what we think to be our knowledge, could well be mere psychological states, no different to the belief that pizza is delicious. That alternative would be pretty depressing to most people.
Fraud had much to say that was right-on, but not the above. He should stick to Pyschology and avoid Epistemology.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Do people want to know the truth? |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
"[The masses] have never thirsted after truth. They
demand illusions, and cannot do without them.
They constantly give what is unreal precedence over
what is real; they are almost as strongly
influenced by what is untrue as by what is true.
They have an evident tendency not to distinguish
between the two."
�SIGMUND FREUD |
This is too abstract and lacks specific examples to back up its point. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Nothing is true.
Everything is permitted. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Ivan Karamazov wrote: |
Nothing is true.
Everything is permitted. |
Let's be friends. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Freud was a raving cocaine addict who was also known to prescribe cocaine clinically for, of all things, anxiety... |
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MantisBot
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Oh, and he REALLY liked his mom.
Or something. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Freud was a raving cocaine addict who was also known to prescribe cocaine clinically for, of all things, anxiety... |
And your point is? Nothing beats professional co-dependency. Loosen up.
(Sat, old boy, the next time I visit Japan drinks are on me. We'll have a pow-wow. Change the world.)
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Satori
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: |
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A pow wow in Japan? Sound very post modern and hip to me...
But as long as we drink hot sake from earthenware jugs, Im down...that stuff rules the heavens and the earth... |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
A pow wow in Japan? Sound very post modern and hip to me...
But as long as we drink hot sake from earthenware jugs, Im down...that stuff rules the heavens and the earth... |
I'll take it...unless you can fix us up with a Six Demon Bag.
Now there's a singular experience. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Here's where I say, wth is a six demon bag... |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: |
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YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Freud was a raving cocaine addict who was also known to prescribe cocaine clinically for, of all things, anxiety... |
Freud felt cocaine was "a wonder drug", like all drugs are deemed when they're discovered or made - morphine, heroin, LSD were all held to be magical, wonderdrugs. Cocaine is still used medically to aid endoscopes. No better drug exists for this purpose.
Doesn't matter that Freud himself was a cokehead. That's applying current moral standards to the past.
Freud's views on the subcoscious mind and man-as-animal are correct and seminal. Darwin, Nietzsche and Freud together OWNED the 19th century.
That said, the above quote in the OP is indeed total rubbish. |
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manlyboy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| "When on earth was it ever established that an increase in truth causes an increase in upward progress? It may very well be that mankind is necessitated to untruth. That a degree of untruth is in fact a precondition of life". - Nietzsche (I quote from memory) |
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