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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject: Celebrities and Their Politics... |
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Pulse check: How do you feel about celebrities pushing their politics, mounting soap boxes, preaching, criticizing or antagonizing national and world leaders, and subjecting the rest of us to the-world-according-to-them with respect to national and international events?
It has come up here before on this board. Sean Penn. The Dixie Chicks.
It is not new. Charleton Heston and the pro-gun lobby. U-2. And remember Fiona Apple at the 1997 MTV Music Awards...?
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After a series of fiery public appearances, Apple's public image began to suffer in some circles. Most notoriously, while accepting the 1997 MTV Video Music Award for "Best New Artist", she proclaimed: "This world is bullshit, and you shouldn't model your life on what you think that we think is cool, and what we're wearing and what we're saying", referring to the mainstream music industry. She quoted Maya Angelou: "Go with yourself". Though her comments were generally greeted with cheers and applause at the awards ceremony, the media backlash was immediate, with host Chris Rock making a derisive comment about her speech.
Some considered her remarks hypocritical, seeing a contradiction between her appearance in a risqu� music video in only her underwear, and her telling young women to ignore celebrity culture. She was unapologetic, however: "When I have something to say, I'll fuckin' well say it". |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Apple
Also, I noted that Conan O'Brien, while hosting the Emmys this year [Aug. 2006], "joked" about people being ejected from the building if they made any political speeches while accepting their awards. He also told them not to thank their families either, because if people in showbusiness had normal family lives, well, they wouldn't be in showbusiness in the first place. These were funny because there was a certain truth-factor to them.
In any case, what are your thoughts on this and why? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think movie actors and pro sport athletes have way too much influence, and make way too much money for what they do. But this isn't about to change anytime soon, so, having said that, they might as well use what they have (influence and money) to support what they think is a worthy goal, whether it's trying to change something in the political or social arenas (or whatever else). It's free speech. Sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't. They should be able to say whatever they want, however they want, whenever they want so long as it doesn't actually harm another (like hate speech).
We do the same on this forum, we just aren't as "special" as them (ie less influence). I am sure most people, especially down here in the current events forum, would love the opportunity and would readily do the same.
What about people like Oprah? I hate her book club influence on the world, but she does a lot of good stuff too. |
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ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
What about people like Oprah? I hate her book club influence on the world, but she does a lot of good stuff too. |
She is quite philanthropic, yes, but does she need to preach her "remember your spirit I am a goddess" platitudes to women all across the nation and world? Why can't she just do good deeds and STFU like Bill Gates?
I have a big beef with Oprah, as I find her single handedly responsible for the chip on the shoulder of many of her viewers. This is a woman that believes a man leaving a woman is "abuse." She emits this aura of female entitlement and victim-hood, and therefore the fat idiots watching at home feel the same, although they have accomplished nothing. You should see the crap she spouts...seriously. She's gotten worse with the years.
"But do you know who YOU are? Do you actually know your spirit?
NO joke.
As far as celebrity goes, most of them lack two big things: self awareness and a normal sized ego. Because of their sense of self importance and the brown-nosers they surround themselves with, they think we actually CARE what they think. The biggest problem is the media reporting all their stupid diatribes as if it's actual news. Perhaps the actors mistake attention for legitimacy? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
What about people like Oprah? I hate her book club influence on the world, but she does a lot of good stuff too. |
She is quite philanthropic, yes, but does she need to preach her "remember your spirit I am a goddess" platitudes to women all across the nation and world? Why can't she just do good deeds and STFU like Bill Gates?
I have a big beef with Oprah, as I find her single handedly responsible for the chip on the shoulder of many of her viewers. This is a woman that believes a man leaving a woman is "abuse." She emits this aura of female entitlement and victim-hood, and therefore the fat idiots watching at home feel the same, although they have accomplished nothing. You should see the crap she spouts...seriously. She's gotten worse with the years.
"But do you know who YOU are? Do you actually know your spirit?
NO joke.
As far as celebrity goes, most of them lack two big things: self awareness and a normal sized ego. Because of their sense of self importance and the brown-nosers they surround themselves with, they think we actually CARE what they think. The biggest problem is the media reporting all their stupid diatribes as if it's actual news. Perhaps the actors mistake attention for legitimacy? |
Still, should we force them to shut up? I understand what you are saying about Oprah (throw in Dr. Phil too), but we can't gag them. And unfortunately, I disagree with your statement about caring, I think a lot of people do care. )
On another note though, what about Suzanne Sommers (I think it was her) always fighting for African children? She was annoying, but it was a worthy cause. We tend to see and remember the idiots more as they make more of an impact with their crazy ideas. But another example was Christopher Reeves and stem-cells (not any of his political maneuvering, if he did that). He virtually started most funding on that. There are many more. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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It is the right of each individual to express their opinions.
That is, if you are in a democracy. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think the problem is celebrities expressing their political views, free market for that kind of information and everything. I'm more concerned about the idiots who would take them seriously. I mean really, argument from authority can be bad enough, but if that authority happens to Oprah? That's when you know your mental abilities are well and truly screwed.
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
It is the right of each individual to express their opinions.
That is, if you are in a democracy. |
This is not the issue I am raising on this thread. It is not a question of whether celebrities have rights as individuals to express their opinions in a democracy. (I think we all agree that they do.)
It is a question, however, of whether this is appropriate and, indeed, annoying.
When you go to a U-2 concert, for example, do you go to be harangued on Aparthied by Bono or do you go because you like U-2's tunes? Sting and the rain forests? Same thing when you watch the Academy Awards. Do you want to see celebrities looking good, talking about the ins-and-outs of their films and working together, etc., or do you think it is OK that some of them decide to inflict you with additional CNN/FOX News-style debate on your entertainment time...?
I guess another way of phrasing the issue is whether you think it is appropriate for celebrities to assume their roles as policy critics, national leaders, and, indeed, virtual oppositionist politicians. If so, should they at least be elected on something other than their good looks?
I am interested to see if anyone sincerely believes "celebrity politics" is appropriate and indeed necessary -- and also might show us why they think so... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Juregen wrote: |
It is the right of each individual to express their opinions.
That is, if you are in a democracy. |
This is not the issue I am raising on this thread. It is not a question of whether celebrities have rights as individuals to express their opinions in a democracy. (I think we all agree that they do.)
It is a question, however, of whether this is appropriate and, indeed, annoying.
When you go to a U-2 concert, for example, do you go to be harangued on Aparthied by Bono or do you go because you like U-2's tunes? Sting and the rain forests? Same thing when you watch the Academy Awards. Do you want to see celebrities looking good, talking about the ins-and-outs of their films and working together, etc., or do you think it is OK that some of them decide to inflict you with additional CNN/FOX News-style debate on your entertainment time...?
I guess another way of phrasing the issue is whether you think it is appropriate for celebrities to assume their roles as policy critics, national leaders, and, indeed, virtual oppositionist politicians. If so, should they at least be elected on something other than their good looks?
I am interested to see if anyone sincerely believes "celebrity politics" is appropriate and indeed necessary -- and also might show us why they think so... |
I think it really all depends on whether or not the celebrity agrees with me...
In all seriousness, I don't have that big a problem with celebrities expressing their political opinions, as long as they don't do it often. I suspect those who do do it often annoy some of their fans and keep the base that agrees with their opinions.
Ditto what Chimpum said about Oprah. I don't care if she came up from poverty, the woman annoys me with her BS. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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One thing I don't like about North American culture (and I can say it being from it) is that we've replaced the aristocracy of royalty with the aristocracy of celebrity. Why do we assume that someone with a dysfunctional upbringing and a grade eleven education is a policy specialist who deserves our respect and a voice at world conferences or with politicians? These people are not better than we are. Why is it uncool to have someone with a PhD to voice a cause and cool to have an actor or musician?
But yes, it's a tricky world. For every ten Phil Collins or Oprahs with their cause to promote themselves there's a Bono or Christopher Reeves who really does do something worthwhile to help people. Still, it's the jump from media advocacy to meeting with global leaders in political sessions that rankles me. Who the #%&@ voted for you to represent me?
Other than that, it is a free country. We have a responsibility to ignore some of these people or there will be very little real news left if celebrities become the news event itself.
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
| One thing I don't like about North American culture (and I can say it being from it) is that we've replaced the aristocracy of royalty with the aristocracy of celebrity. Why do we assume that someone with a dysfunctional upbringing and a grade eleven education is a policy specialist who deserves our respect and a voice at world conferences or with politicians? |
Well, at least one survey indicates that the American people are smarter than that.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=adccb212-fa6d-45a7-8295-18e5e8c424b5&q=33797
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| I see it as no worse, in fact far less bad, if I can phrase it that way, than wealthy interest groups buying thier political platform... |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I don't find it to be a particular problem.
There is often some indication in an artist's work that reveals something of their political leanings. You probably aren't going to find that many gospel singers on the stage at the Legalize Marijuana rally.
Secondly, I don't pay much attention when Sean Penn or whoever comes out with a political statement. I'm more irritated with the media reporting it than I am with the celebrity making it.
I do admire the celebrities who spend their time, money and fame on socially useful campaigns like Get Out the Vote, UNICEF fund-raisers and the various health-related causes. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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