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Why did the world change on September 11th?
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yawarakaijin



Joined: 08 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Why did the world change on September 11th? Reply with quote

Before everyone gets all hot and bothered please let it be known that this is not an attempt at trolling or in any way an insult to anyone. I seriously would like to know your opinions on this matter.

The attacks of 9/11 were no doubt spectacular, but other countries have faced terrorism in the past. Other countries have suffered terrorism, so here is my question and it's an honest one.

Why did the world change only after America was attacked? Was it the sheer audacity of the attack? Was it the total death toll? Was it the mere fact that America was the target? Would the world have needed to change if it were a group of Sri Lankans or Columbians who pulled off 9/11?
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Meegook



Joined: 12 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The world changed because of who attacked the WTC/Pentagon and the excuse this gave the Perps to start
a 'war on terrorism' that "will not end in our lifetimes."
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

before S11.




After.

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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In answer to the main question, no. For everybody else the world did not change on 9/11. It changed drastically for the Americans, their perception changed rather than anything more tangible really changing other than the horrendous destruction and loss of life. Sadly, even after 5 years it seems unlikely that anything that has been done in response to 9/11 has actually reduced the chance of another such attack occuring either in America or outside it (London, Madrid). No doubt others will disagree as is their right but that is my opinion.

While I would not question your motivation in posting such a topic, you are unlikely to get many reasoned responses or an interesting debate such is the nature of this forum :/


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Slep



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure changed for the Chileans on Sept 11.

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Meegook



Joined: 12 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For everybody else the world did not change on 9/11.


Changed for the Afghanistanis.

Changed for Iraq.

It's about to change for the Iranians.

Changed for Arab Muslims.

But the question is

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Why did the world change only after America was attacked?


Why did it change? Because of WHO is responsible for the attacks. The enemy is the US government with the most nuclear weapons and the most powerful military in the history of the world and led by a man who considers himself the 'War President.'
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It changed because the Plan B Neo-cons wanted it to, and we let them get away with it.

That simple.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It didn't, really, and as someone pointed out, it was the administration that has created changes (Iraq, Afghan etc).

If you look at what the biggest threat to the US was before setp 11 and after, nothing changed. THE Cole, the embassies in Africa, the First WTC attack. The attacks on 9/11 may have made certain politicos wise up, and the American people take their heads out of their asses, if only for a brief time, but nothing really changed.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but nothing really changed.


That depends on who was responsible for 9/11 doesn't it?

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the biggest threat to the US was before setp 11 and after


The biggest threat to the United States has always been its own government.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really do not mean to be insulting, as I am not an arrogant person. However, I find the idea that the world changes after Sept.11th to be almost way too self-centered. What about the killing fields in Cambodia?

The people of the United States are, generally, not aware of the world's geography, cultures, and politics. Yes, I know that Koreans are like that as well. This is a form of self-centeredness, wouldn't you agree? Americans have the tools, as a populace, to seek out information, understand the travails of others around the world. Thousands of people in Chile died after the U.S. backed a coup in Chile.
It is as if there was some media black out and most in the U.S. have no idea it happened.

The American people are resourceful, and they used to have this spirit which would force change. Too many are complacent and focusing on their own thing. I just read that people are back to buying SUVs and pick up trucks while their brethren die in Iraq. That is too self-centered.
They should be working aggressively to reduce consumption, call for alternative fuels... I also don't understand how politicians can feel it is okay to send troops into harms ways and they have no clue as to the difference between Sunni and Shiite. There is something called the internet, libraries etc... I once didn't know the details on the differences, so I read a few books on the subject. Sunnis in Iraq study how it is to be a Shiite to stay alive. Apparently, those who claimed they care about the troops, haven't really demonstrated that.

It is ironic that Bush said that Binladin was attacking because he opposed the freedom in the U.S. Yet, it has been his administration which has attacked civil liberties.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about the killing fields in Cambodia?


Pol Pot didn't then go and kill over 650,000 Iraqis.
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NAVFC



Joined: 10 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meegook wrote:
Quote:
For everybody else the world did not change on 9/11.


Changed for the Afghanistanis.

Changed for Iraq.

It's about to change for the Iranians.

Changed for Arab Muslims.

But the question is

Quote:
Why did the world change only after America was attacked?


Why did it change? Because of WHO is responsible for the attacks. The enemy is the US government with the most nuclear weapons and the most powerful military in the history of the world and led by a man who considers himself the 'War President.'





The US GOVERNEMNT DID NOT CARRY OUT 9-11. You and EFL trainer are fools for believing this. Al Qaeda has publicly boasted of the attacks in video and audio tape releases several times, so by now it should be known who is responsible. This all started back in 91 when Osama got mad about US presence in the middle east when we fought Saddam the first time.
We helped out the Kuwaitis and the Saudis and Osama should just dal with it. He has no right towage this terror campaign despite what you two terrorist sympathizers think. Iraq invaded kuwait in 91, we defendd and Osama got mad.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/11 in Europe means 9 November. The world changing event occurred on 9 November 1989 when the Berlin wall was demolished signalling the end of the Cold War and the start of the "Peace Dividend".

Well, that's what we hoped at the time.
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NAVFC



Joined: 10 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meegook wrote:
Quote:
For everybody else the world did not change on 9/11.


Changed for the Afghanistanis.

Changed for Iraq.

It's about to change for the Iranians.

Changed for Arab Muslims.

But the question is

Quote:
Why did the world change only after America was attacked?


Why did it change? Because of WHO is responsible for the attacks. The enemy is the US government with the most nuclear weapons and the most powerful military in the history of the world and led by a man who considers himself the 'War President.'




Oh and Iran.. let me guess this straight, you have a Perisan madman named Mahmoud Ahamdienjad, cosntantly going on about wiping Israel off the map, amassing nuclear capability for weapons
(strange how awhile ago the UN discovered designes for uranium nuclear war heads in iran.. a strange thing to have if you dont want a nuclear weapon) Also a few years back Irans supreme leader made a speech about how a few Iranian nukes could easily destroy Israel. You have these madmen declaring their desire to destroy an entire race of people, and amassing the technology that would enable them to carry out such a plan, and you dolts are criticizing the US for wanting to stop that?

I might add that the Europeans are being tough on Iran do but I dont see you criticizing them.
You and EFL trainer need to take your heads out of your asses. Seriously. You dont like Bush. Fine. What ever, But your disain oif Bush has turned into a sort of tunnel vision where by everything that happens is Bush's fault, or everything Bush does is wrong, even when its not, such as in pushing for tough action on iran. HE SHOULD push for action Iran. Do you two listen to ANYTHING that had come out of the Iranian leaderships mouth in the last 4 years? apparently not!
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
9/11 in Europe means 9 November. The world changing event occurred on 9 November 1989 when the Berlin wall was demolished signalling the end of the Cold War and the start of the "Peace Dividend".

Well, that's what we hoped at the time.

wow, that's quite interesting. a bit ironic too, isn't it?

don't laugh, but i had to look up peace dividend.
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The term was frequently used at the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s, when many Western nations significantly cut military spending.
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