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Wave of change likely to wash away pro-Israel politicians

 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Wave of change likely to wash away pro-Israel politicians Reply with quote

Wave of change likely to wash away pro-Israel politicians [Ha'aretz newspaper]

By Shmuel Rosner

BUTLER, PA - Visitors to the sun-drenched square can wander among its several memorials, paying their respects to the fallen of war after war, from the American Revolution to the current conflict in Iraq, whose list of names is still growing, etched in wood instead of stone.

And then, among the wars, a surprise: another memorial, with a car engraved at the top. That car is the pride of Butler, Pennsylvania, where the first jeeps were manufactured. But we visit Butler today for another transportation event - the groundbreaking of a new bus terminal, attended by the town elders and its guest of honor, Senator Rick Santorum (Republican- PA), who flew in specially from another event across the state.

In the Ohio race, there is no regret over the incumbent, but concern about the likely newcomer. Brown is a Democrat of the most liberal and radical mold the party has to offer. Like Ned LaMont, Joe Lieberman's rival in Connecticut, Brown has given no sign or clue that he plans to target Israeli policy for change. Nonetheless, Israel supporters in Washington furrow their brows at the polls predicting his victory. Even if he does no harm, someone said, he will certainly not help. Brown, a Congressman, has a very liberal voting record, which in current times makes him immediately suspect - even without any proof.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/782048.html
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good. For too long Israel has had a blank slate and the right to do anything it wants to anybody and this has allowed the mideast to explode into mayhem.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Un-frickin-believable. They're so sensitive to losing their foreign influence that they editorialize about one _potential_ Congressman out of 435, who has not even stated a view on U.S. Mideast policy yet.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I can tell, both parties are pro-Israel. There does seem to be a segment of the GOP that is even more pro-Israel, but the kind that want to bring on Armaggedon. That doesn't strike me as particularly pro-Israel, but maybe I'm wrong.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the seething muslim masses in the ME and elsewhere should be prevented from finishing what hitler started. Does this make me pro-Israeli?
What makes someone pro-Israeli? If the dems being elected aren't pro-Israeli what does that mean?
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Junior



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Octavius Hite wrote:
For too long Israel has had a blank slate and the right to do anything it wants to anybody and this has allowed the mideast to explode into mayhem.


Such brainwashed cr*p you spout Mr hite. You think the massive region of the middle east would be fine and dandy if the tiny state of Israel did not exist?? The mideast explosion into mayhem is the result of their own backwardness. Israel occasionally flexes its muscle in self defence, that is all.

Dogbert

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Un-frickin-believable. They're so sensitive to losing their foreign influence


Could be worse they might elect someone who is pro-Arab and encourages terrorist attacks to kill innocent americans. Might even stone gays to death, dogbert.

Adventurer
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Wave of change likely to wash away pro-Israel politicians


I think that is ultimately inevitable. Israel cannot count on a further decade of unqualified support from the US. Popular opinion is changing.

Ya-Ta boy
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but the kind that want to bring on Armaggedon


In which case it'll be a nuclear shock wave washing away the tide of anti semites surrounding and harrassing Israel.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior, I don't think that Israelis or any other foreigners should be interfering with U.S. elections. It is obvious what the Israeli agenda is -- however, what Israel wants is not necessarily what's best for us American gentiles.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
Junior, I don't think that Israelis or any other foreigners should be interfering with U.S. elections. It is obvious what the Israeli agenda is -- however, what Israel wants is not necessarily what's best for us American gentiles.


You want an ally in the middle east or not?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
dogbert wrote:
Junior, I don't think that Israelis or any other foreigners should be interfering with U.S. elections. It is obvious what the Israeli agenda is -- however, what Israel wants is not necessarily what's best for us American gentiles.


You want an ally in the middle east or not?


Israel won't stop being our ally in the Mideast whether we vote in Democrat Congressmen or not. Israel needs the U.S.'s backing.

I don't want Israelis interfering in U.S. domestic politics, which is what is happening too frequently now.
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
dogbert wrote:
Junior, I don't think that Israelis or any other foreigners should be interfering with U.S. elections. It is obvious what the Israeli agenda is -- however, what Israel wants is not necessarily what's best for us American gentiles.


You want an ally in the middle east or not?


Yep, a great ally to have. And it doesn't cost too much to have 'em on board always at your side and supporting you does it?

Or does it?
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a mystery to me why pro-Israel forces have been tolerated for so long by non-Zionist, non-caring Americans, whom are the vast majority. I realize there are more Jews in America than Israel, but what about the other 290 million of them who either don't care about Israel or don't know enough to care? I say let Israel fend for itself. After 50 years of handouts, it's got a big enough army and is strong enough now. It's taken the piss out of the Americans since 1967, brutally oppressing Palestinians, refusing to acknowledge non-Jewish indigenousness in that region. Any American government in its right mind would let 'em have it. Sadly it can't, otherwise it wouldn't get a second term and wouldn't even get elected to begin with.

I find the US Jewish lobby to be a largely parasitic force.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
Junior wrote:
dogbert wrote:
Junior, I don't think that Israelis or any other foreigners should be interfering with U.S. elections. It is obvious what the Israeli agenda is -- however, what Israel wants is not necessarily what's best for us American gentiles.


You want an ally in the middle east or not?


Israel won't stop being our ally in the Mideast whether we vote in Democrat Congressmen or not. Israel needs the U.S.'s backing.

I don't want Israelis interfering in U.S. domestic politics, which is what is happening too frequently now.



Being pro-Israeli should only consist of supporting the existence of the state of Israel, being an economic, and military friend, but it should not ignoring ignoring the building of settlements because AIPAC will try to unseat certain Congressmen who thinks it is not good for America's image to ignore human rights violations in Israel while blasting the Arabs and China.

Jews of conscience have thought the hawks who have influenced politics in the U.S. have emboldened Israel in the wrong manner at times. Israel is not held accountable for misdeeds. Some in Israel also think the same way. Anyway, a pro-Israeli lawyer, Arthur Goldberg, drafted the English version of UN Resolution 242 to try to skirt the UN mandate that nations cannot keep occupied territory. Of course, that will probably become an inevitability, but that has generated much enmity. There is too much interference in politics, an interference accompanied by an ideology that many progressive Jews oppose.
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