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vox



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: current apartment rents Reply with quote

Please help with market info. My friend is coming to Korea to take a public school job and will be looking for an apartment. I know that some places offer normal rent deals sans key money arrangements. What is the average rent these days in Seoul for an apartment? Is it feasible to find something in the 300,000-400,000/mo range or is that just unrealistic?

My school covered my housing so I have no idea but I promised to help out and look around for her a bit.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here on the island, yes.

In Seoul? I doubt it!
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: current apartment rents Reply with quote

vox wrote:
Please help with market info. My friend is coming to Korea to take a public school job and will be looking for an apartment. I know that some places offer normal rent deals sans key money arrangements. What is the average rent these days in Seoul for an apartment? Is it feasible to find something in the 300,000-400,000/mo range or is that just unrealistic?

My school covered my housing so I have no idea but I promised to help out and look around for her a bit.


Beats me why your friend requires an apartment, Vox, given that it's the norm for school to get you one, pay the rent etc etc.
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3baekwon



Joined: 04 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3-400,000 is possible, but s/he'll most likely still need a hefty deposit to put down (I'm guessing anywhere from 5-10 million Won). In my house-hunting experience, most places required a large lump sum (that you get back) on top of the monthy rent. If you have a lot of money that you're not doing anything with, you can put that down and then not have to pay monthly rent. Since you get that back when you leave, it's like having lived there for free. I love Korea. Cool
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vox



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: current apartment rents Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
vox wrote:
Please help with market info. My friend is coming to Korea to take a public school job and will be looking for an apartment. I know that some places offer normal rent deals sans key money arrangements. What is the average rent these days in Seoul for an apartment? Is it feasible to find something in the 300,000-400,000/mo range or is that just unrealistic?

My school covered my housing so I have no idea but I promised to help out and look around for her a bit.


Beats me why your friend requires an apartment, Vox, given that it's the norm for school to get you one, pay the rent etc etc.


Apparently the story is that hogwans get you apartments, public schools give you a housing allowance and you get yourself an apartment. This is in Seoul. She didn't tell me the name of the school yet.

So is that price range possible as in Bush finding the WMDs possible, or is it possible as in lower range but realistic? We're trying to figure out if the salary offered (2.7) can realistically result in more than 2.1-2.2 after rent and taxes.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public schools can offer either housing or housing allowance. It depends on the place. It also depends on the contract you sign. In my opinion, it's probably best for a new teacher to not sign any kind of contract unless it includes single housing...one that the teacher has at least seen pictures of and asked lots of questions about. <Chronicpride> may be able to help you out by pointing you in the right direction towards one-room places that'll probably be in your friend's price/affordability range. She'll still most likely have to put some money down though, along with paying 200-500 monthly. If she's coming over here with not much money(like many of us do), she'll have to stay at a love motel or go-shi-won or with a friend for a month or so until she can come up with the necessary funds. Yes, 2.7 will probably end up being a little better than the std hakwon contract when all things are considered(hope you guys have some Koreans to help you out with contracts and negotiations and that your friend is willing to accept a lower-end place). It'll depend a lot on the place and whether she has to fight to get the deposit money back at the end of the housing contract.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

300-400 you can share a flat! with I think one month advance key money!
if you want your own place! you are looking at 500.000 for a half decent small place key money probably 1-5million.. or you might be able to swing something with the landlord!
office tels expensive! 500-800 and 5-10key..

itaewon, haebongchan might be the best bet..

or live in a love motel! 400 no key and no utility fes..
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3baekwon wrote:
If you have a lot of money that you're not doing anything with, you can put that down and then not have to pay monthly rent. Since you get that back when you leave, it's like having lived there for free. I love Korea. Cool

"Since" ==> "As long as"

denverdeath wrote:
It'll depend a lot on the place and whether she has to fight to get the deposit money back at the end of the housing contract.

Right. I know plenty of Koreans who've had to wait around months for their landlords to find new tenants before they got their deposits back. But they're actually the lucky ones, as I've known foreigners who've had carefully laid "life plans" (jobs or grad school in home country, wedding dates, travel dates, kids' school schedules) badly disrupted for the same reason. Problem is, even with the law on your side, there's no guarantee you'll get your money when you need it or before airline tickets, visas, etc. start expiring.

If a foreigner knows beyond any doubt that they'll be staying on in Korea after that housing contract expires, then they don't need to be as cautious. But if they're not sure, or they have firm plans to leave the country at the end of contract, then they really need to consider some alternatives:

-- pure rent
-- wolsei + rent
-- a year's rent paid in advance (that's saved me big money, as the rent was reduced in return)
-- share a place w/someone who's staying here long-term

Otherwise, do what you can to protect yourself and your deposit. Have the realtor or someone else check out the landlord's finances. Look into official means of securing your deposit (they're very cheap), and I always recommend trying to get some sense that there's high demand for your place/area. If your landlord spends your deposit (they frequently use your deposit to repay other debts) then you'll both be hoping your place is attractive and "moves" fast. If it's boring, drab and centrally located, you're okay. But if it's some funky, eclectic, one-of-a-kind place full of character and that's what you like about it (or if it's in some low-traffic or sleazy area), you could be in for a long wait.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3baekwon wrote:
If you have a lot of money that you're not doing anything with, you can put that down and then not have to pay monthly rent. Since you get that back when you leave, it's like having lived there for free. I love Korea. Cool


eh? ever heard of "opportunity costs"? TANSTAAFL!
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Clutch Cargo



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: Sim City 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was looking a few months ago I saw a bunch of places, usually basement apartments, in Haebanchon (next to Itaewon) for between 350 - 450 thousand won per mont and 1 or 2 mil key money. Problem is usually ventilation in these places though.

http://www.edenrealty.co.kr/
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutch Cargo wrote:
When I was looking a few months ago I saw a bunch of places, usually basement apartments, in Haebanchon (next to Itaewon) for between 350 - 450 thousand won per mont and 1 or 2 mil key money. Problem is usually ventilation in these places though.

http://www.edenrealty.co.kr/


I checked that site. I like some of the descriptions, like this one:

"Landlord lives in the same building? o. Clean or Big for the price?big. Others : it is basement but it looks like a 1st floor apartment somewhat. Bathroom is not clean as much as it looks. Bathroom is also small. It smells something bad. it has nextdoor." http://www.edenrealty.co.kr/index.asp?q=2&idx=358

or this one

"Quiet? very quiet. Landlord lives in the same building? x. Clean or Big for the price?clean. Others : very very dark. Cats used be there. Area is nice and calm. Located in the middle of Hyatt hotel and 8 lane main road."

wonder what is smells like? white person?

very quiet yet located in the middle of an 8 lane main road.. interesting.
At least they were honest about the cats..
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mashimaro wrote:
Clutch Cargo wrote:
When I was looking a few months ago I saw a bunch of places, usually basement apartments, in Haebanchon (next to Itaewon) for between 350 - 450 thousand won per mont and 1 or 2 mil key money. Problem is usually ventilation in these places though.

http://www.edenrealty.co.kr/


I checked that site. I like some of the descriptions, like this one:

"Landlord lives in the same building? o. Clean or Big for the price?big. Others : it is basement but it looks like a 1st floor apartment somewhat. Bathroom is not clean as much as it looks. Bathroom is also small. It smells something bad. it has nextdoor." http://www.edenrealty.co.kr/index.asp?q=2&idx=358

or this one

"Quiet? very quiet. Landlord lives in the same building? x. Clean or Big for the price?clean. Others : very very dark. Cats used be there. Area is nice and calm. Located in the middle of Hyatt hotel and 8 lane main road."

wonder what is smells like? white person?

very quiet yet located in the middle of an 8 lane main road.. interesting.
At least they were honest about the cats..


Rolling Eyes

Yeah, the guy isn't the greatest at English, and his website's kind of crappy, but he's the most honest of the realtors that I dealt with out of like 5 or 6 in the general Itaewon area.

Eden Guy: The place smells. Lots of cats around. Next to 8-lane road.

Other Guys: It's fantastic! You should take it!

I know what I prefer. The guy saved me spending days and days looking at nightmare apartments in basements and actually listened to me when I said what I was looking for.
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inthewild



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:


or live in a love motel! 400 no key and no utility fes..


Any more good websites to find apartments in Seoul?

And anyone ever actually found a good love motel for 400 a month? I find it surprising that this would be possible considering a decent goshiwon is 400 for a month...
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the area. Outside of Gangnam you can get an officetel for 5 million deposit, 500k rent, and 50k for the "management" fee. Some new ones in Cheonho dong just went up for that. (very nice too but not enough to tempt me put of Gangnam)

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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inthewild wrote:
And anyone ever actually found a good love motel for 400 a month? I find it surprising that this would be possible considering a decent goshiwon is 400 for a month...



I am guessing that the poster actually meant goshiwon.


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Any more good websites to find apartments in Seoul?


Are you in Korea? If so you should go to a budongsan directly and specify your requirements. If you can't speak Korean take a Korean friend.
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