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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: The Official Mid-Terms Voter Fraud Thread |
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Post here stories of upcoming voter fraud/suppression efforts.
How this hasn't been deemed illegal and unconstitutional, I'll never know. The right to vote is protected by the Constitution. Nobody has the right to interfere. Voter suppression is denial of that right, thus unconstitutional and illegal. Voter support, protecting voter access, fits within the law.
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Md. Democrats Say GOP Plans to Block Voters
By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 2, 2006; B06
A recently distributed guide for Republican poll watchers in Maryland spells out how to aggressively challenge the credentials of voters and urges these volunteers to tell election judges they could face jail time if a challenge is ignored.
Democrats said yesterday they consider the handbook, obtained by The Washington Post, evidence of a Republican effort to block people from voting Tuesday.
"The tenor of the material is that they are asking folks, if not directing them, to challenge voters," said Bruce L. Marcus, an attorney for the state Democratic Party. "It's really tantamount to a suppression effort."
Advocacy groups including the National Campaign for Fair Elections, Common Cause and the NAACP, as well as a George Washington University professor who is an expert on voter suppression, agreed with that assessment.
Barbara Burt of Common Cause said the technique, last seen in Ohio in the 2004 presidential election, is an "insidious voter intimidation tactic."
Republicans rebutted that charge, saying they merely are guarding against fraud. "I don't think that's borderline suppression," said state Republican Party Chairman John Kane. "It's making sure that people who have earned the right to vote are voting. We've had people die in wars to protect those rights." |
By slowing the process so many CAN'T vote? Oh, that's right! Where they are mostly DEMOCRATS.
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| No one disputes the legality of having poll watchers set up folding chairs and monitor the election on behalf of their party. Typically, though, poll watchers are present to help ensure that their party's supporters get to vote, not the other way around. |
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Democrats, for instance, have distributed advice to their poll watchers to "make sure that voters are not being turned away."
"The key is the perspective each party brings to the process," Marcus said. "Our philosophy is, if we have a qualified voter, we're going to turn things inside out and upside down to get them to be able to vote." |
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The GOP poll-watcher program, outlined in a 13-page document, states: "Your most important duty as a poll worker is to challenge people who present themselves to vote but who are not authorized to vote."
It adds, "If the election judge should try to ignore your challenge, point out that they would be committing a criminal offense punishable by not less than 30 days in jail." |
Nah, that's not intimidation...
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| Kane disputed this: "I think what we're doing is protecting ourselves. The Democrats are going to have 500 roving lawyers out there looking for every possible legal challenge." |
Now, if that's not an admission of conspiracy, what is? I thought they were there to insure rights, not protect the repuke party.
Ah! So WHY the challenges, and where?:
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Various polls have shown that the outcome changes dramatically depending on how many black voters cast ballots.
A recent Washington Post poll that measured black turnout at 25 percent showed Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley (D) with a lead of 10 percentage points over Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R). A poll published yesterday by the Baltimore Sun that assumed black turnout at 19 percent showed the race as a statistical dead heat. |
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EFLtrainer
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cerulean808
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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At least there's some good news. People finally getting clued onto the Republican thieves. At the very least its says much that the only way the Republicans can win democratic elections is by stealing them.
Greg Palast:
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A nasty little secret of American democracy is that, in every national election, ballots cast are simply thrown in the garbage. Most are called "spoiled," supposedly unreadable, damaged, invalid. They just don�t get counted. This �spoilage� has occurred for decades, but it reached unprecedented heights in the last two presidential elections. In the 2004 election, for example, more than three million ballots were never counted.
Almost as deep a secret is that people are doing something about it. In New Mexico, citizen activists, disgusted by systematic vote disappearance, demanded change � and got it.
In Ohio, during the 2004 Presidential election, 153,237 ballots were simply thrown away � more than the Bush �victory� margin. In New Mexico the uncounted vote was five times the Bush alleged victory margin of 5,988. In Iowa, Bush�s triumph of 13,498 was overwhelmed by 36,811 votes rejected. The official number is bad enough � 1,855,827 ballots cast not counted, according to the federal government�s Elections Assistance Commission. But the feds are missing data from several cities and entire states too embarrassed to report the votes they failed to count.
Correcting for that under-reporting, the number of ballots cast but never counted goes to 3,600,380. Why doesn�t your government tell you this?
Hey, they do. It�s right there in black and white in a U.S. Census Bureau announcement released seven months after the election � in a footnote. The Census tabulation of voters voting in the 2004 presidential race "differs," it reads, from ballots tallied by the Clerk of the House of Representatives by 3.4 million votes.
This is the hidden presidential count, which, with the exception of the Census�s whispered footnote, has not been reported. In the voting biz, most of these lost votes are called "spoilage." Spoilage, not the voters, picked our President for us. Unfortunately, that�s not all. In addition to the three million ballots uncounted due to technical "glitches," millions more were lost because the voters were prevented from casting their ballots in the first place. This group of un-votes includes voters illegally denied registration or wrongly purged from the registries.
Joe Stalin, the story goes, said, �It�s not the people who vote that count; it�s the people who count the votes.� That may have been true in the old Soviet Union, but in the USA, the game is much, much subtler: He who makes sure votes don�t get counted decides our winners.
In the lead-up to the 2004 race, millions of Americans were, not unreasonably, panicked about computer voting machines. Images abounded of an evil hacker-genius in Dick Cheney�s bunker rewriting code and zapping the totals. But that�s not how it went down.
The computer scare was the McGuffin, the fake detail used by magicians to keep your eye off their hands. The principal means of the election heist � voiding ballots � went unexposed, unreported and most importantly, uncorrected and ready to roll out on a grander scale next time
Like a forensic crime scene investigation unit, we can perform a post mortem starting with the exhumation of more than three million uncounted votes:
* Provisional Ballots Rejected. An entirely new species of ballot debuted nationwide in 2004: the "provisional ballot." These were crucial to the Bush victory. Not because Republicans won this "provisional" vote. They won by rejecting provisional ballots that were cast overwhelmingly in Democratic precincts. The sum of "the uncounted" is astonishing: 675,676 ballots lost in the counties reporting to the federal government. Add in the missing jurisdictions and the un-vote climbs to over a million: 1,090,729 provisional ballots tossed out.
* Spoiled Ballots. You vote, you assume it�s counted. Think again. Your "x" was too light for a machine to read. You didn�t punch the card hard enough and so you "hung your chad." Therefore, your vote didn�t count and, crucially, you�ll never know it. The federal Election Assistance Commission toted up nearly a million ballots cast but not counted. Add in states too shy to report to Washington, the total �spoilage� jumps to a rotten 1,389,231.
* Absentee Ballots Uncounted. The number of absentee ballots has quintupled in many states, with the number rejected on picayune technical grounds rising to over half a million (526,420) in 2004. In swing states, absentee ballot shredding was pandemic.
* Voters Barred from Voting. In this category we find a combination of incompetence and trickery that stops voters from pulling the lever in the first place. There�s the purge of "felon" voters that continues to eliminate thousands whose only crime is VWB � Voting While Black. It includes subtle games like eliminating polling stations in selected districts, creating impossible lines. No one can pretend to calculate a hard number for all votes lost this way any more than you can find every bullet fragment in a mutilated body. But it�s a safe bet that the numbers reach into the hundreds of thousands of voters locked out of the voting booth.
The test kitchen
But do these un-votes really turn the election? Voters from both parties used provisional or absentee ballots, and the machines can�t tell if a hanging chad is Democratic or Republican, right? Not so. To see how it works, we went to New Mexico.
Dig this: In November 2004 during early voting in Precinct 13, Taos, New Mexico, John Kerry took 73 votes. George Bush got three. On election day, 216 in that precinct voted Kerry. Bush got 25 votes, and came in third.
Third? Taking second place in the precinct, with 40 votes, was no one at all.
Or, at least, that�s what the machines said.
Precinct 13 is better known as the Taos Pueblo. Every single voter there is an American Native or married to one.
Precinct 13 wasn�t unique. On Navajo lands, indecision struck on an epidemic scale. They walked in, they didn�t vote. In nine precincts in McKinley County, New Mexico, which is 74.7 percent Navajo, fewer than one in ten voters picked a president. Those who voted on paper ballots early or absentee knew who they wanted (Kerry, overwhelmingly), but the machine-counted vote said Indians simply couldn�t make up their minds or just plain didn�t care.
On average, across the state, the machine printouts say that 7.3 percent � one in twelve voters � in majority Native precincts didn�t vote for president. That�s three times the percentage of white voters who appeared to abstain. In pueblo after pueblo, on reservation after reservation throughout the United States, the story was the same.
Nationally, one out of every 12 ballots cast by Native Americans did not contain a vote for President. Indians by the thousands drove to the voting station, walked into the booth, said, �Who cares?� and walked out without voting for president.
So we dropped in on Taos, Precinct 13. The "old" pueblo is old indeed� built 500 to 1,000 years ago. In these adobe dwellings stacked like mud condos, no electricity is allowed nor running water � nor Republicans as far as records show. Richard Archuleta, a massive man with long, gray pigtails and hands as big as fl ank steaks, is the head of tourism for the pueblo. Richard wasn�t buying the indecision theory of the Native non-count. Indians were worried about their Bureau of Indian Affairs grants, their gaming licenses, and working conditions at their other big employer: the U.S. military.
On the pueblo�s mud-brick walls there were several hand painted signs announcing Democratic Party powwows, none for Republicans. Indecisive? Indians are Democrats. Case closed. The color that counts It wasn�t just Native Americans who couldn�t seem to pick a President. Throughout New Mexico, indecisiveness was pandemic ... at least, that is, among people of color. Or so the machines said. Across the state, high-majority Hispanic precincts recorded a 7.1 percent vote for nobody for president.
We asked Dr. Philip Klinkner, the expert who ran stats for the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, to look at the New Mexico data. His solid statistical analysis discovered that if you�re Hispanic, the chance your vote will not record on the machine was 500% higher than if you are white. For Natives, it�s off the charts. The Hispanic and Native vote is no small potatoes. Every tenth New Mexican is American Native (9.5 percent) and half the remaining population (43 percent) is Mexican-American.
Our team drove an hour across the high desert from the Taos Reservation to Espa�ola in Rio Arriba County. According to the official tallies, entire precincts of Mexican-Americans registered few or zero votes for president in the last two elections. Espa�ola is where the Los Alamos workers live, not the Ph.D.s in the white lab coats, but the women who clean the hallways and the men who bury the toxins. This was not Bush country, and the people we met with, including the leaders of the get-out-the-vote operations, knew of no Hispanics who insisted on waiting at the polling station to cast their vote for "nobody for President." The huge majority of Mexican- Americans, especially in New Mexico, and a crushing majority of Natives (over 90 percent), vote Democratic.
What if those voters weren�t indecisive; what if they punched in a choice and it didn�t record? Let�s do the arithmetic. As minority voters cast 89 percent of the state�s 21,084 blank ballots, that�s 18,765 missing minority votes. Given the preferences of other voters in those pueblos and barrios, those 18,765 voters of color should have swamped Bush�s 5,988 vote �majority� with Kerry votes. But that would have required those votes be counted.
The voting-industrial complex
New Mexico�s Secretary of State, Rebecca Vigil-Giron, seemed curiously uncurious about Hispanic and Native precincts where nearly one in ten voters couldn�t be bothered to choose a president.
Vigil-Giron, along with Governor Bill Richardson, not only stopped any attempt at a recount directly following the election, but demanded that all the machines be wiped clean. This not only concealed evidence of potential fraud but destroyed it. In 2006, New Mexico�s Supreme Court ruled the Secretary of State�s machine-cleaning job illegal � too late to change the outcome of the election, of course.
But who are we to second-guess Secretary Vigil-Giron? After all, she is a big shot, at the time president, no less, of the National Association of Secretaries of State, the top banana of all our nation elections officials.
Vigil-Giron, after putting a stop to the recount, rather than schlep out to investigate the missing vote among the iguanas and Navajos, left the state to officiate at a dinner meeting in Minneapolis for her national association. It was held on a dinner boat. The tab for the moonlight ride was picked up by touch-screen voting machine maker ES&S Corporation. Breakfast, in case you're curious, was served by touchscreen maker Diebold Corp.
At the time of this writing, Vigil-Giron is busy planning the next big confab of vendors and state officials -- this time in Santa Fe, "the city different." But aside from Wal-Mart signing on as a sponsor, nothing much is different when it comes to the inner workings of the voting industrial complex.
Except for one thing.
Where's the action?
While Vigil-Giron is greeting her fellow Secretaries and casually introducing them to this year's vendors, it is likely she'll keep quiet about a few things. Voter Action, a group of motivated citizens, some jumping into activism for the first time, sued the state of New Mexico in 2005 over the bad machines and the failure to count the vote. The activists ran a public campaign with their revelations about New Mexico's broken democracy. Last year, Voter Action invited our investigations team to lay out our findings to huge citizens' meetings in Albuquerque and Santa Fe. Soon, the whole horrid vote-losing game was on local community radio and TV stations. It worked.
Governor Richardson, who ducked the issue for three years, and his Secretary of State, once openly hostile to reform, had to relent in the face of the public uprising. In February of 2006, Richardson signed a model law requiring that all voting in the state take place on new paper ballot machines, with verifiable tabulating systems. Richardson now claims the mantle of leader of the voting reform campaign.
Voter Action, successful in New Mexico, is now pursuing lawsuits in seven states to stop the Secretaries of State from purchasing electronic voting systems which have records of inaccuracy, security risks, and have been proven unreliable.
In New Mexico we learned, once again, that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. To protect your right to vote, you must know what is happening in your state � before, during, and after Election Day � and be willing to hold your leaders accountable. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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So. Already denouncing the election which has not even occurred yet and, moreover, is, per recent polling data, expected to bring the Democrats into a commanding position in the legislature. Fascinating and insightful into your worldview.
In any case, go ahead and produce as many of these allegation-driven, frothing-at-the-mouth diatribes as you like. I see you just placed about four, equally useless, of them on the forum. But you haven't got a snowball's chance in hell in influencing events or even people's votes -- certainly not people's votes that matter in this election.
Those who sympathize with your views here are mostly not even American. And, I suspect, most of you who are American ex-pats probably do not even take the time to vote in the first place -- as most of you are so falling-off-the-face-of-the-earth left that you denounce elections -- and indeed the entire "system" -- as fraudulent before they actually even take place.
Out of frustration, you ball up your fists, assume your perch in a pathetic, drunken PC Bang on the other side of the planet, and you are reduced to denouncing things you really do not even understand in the first place, least of all participate in, on an obscure internet forum mostly made up of hogwon employees....
Carry on, gentelmen. 
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spliff
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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In any case, go ahead and produce as many of these allegation-driven, frothing-at-the-mouth diatribes as you like. You haven't got a snowball's chance in hell in influencing events or even people's votes -- certainly not people's votes that matter in this election.
Those who sympathize with your views here are mostly not even American. And, I suspect, most of you who are American ex-pats probably do not even take the time to vote in the first place -- as most of you are so falling-off-the-face-of-the-earth left that you denounce elections -- and indeed the entire "system" -- as fraudulent before they actually even take place.
So, out of frustration, you ball up your fists, assume your perch in a pathetic, drunken PC Bang on the other side of the planet, and you are reduced to denouncing things you really do not even understand, least of all participate in.
Carry on, gentelmen... |
The real frauds are the ones who think people don't take this propaganda for the trash it really is... 
Anyway, I sent my vote in already...Reppo accross the board...  |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, I sent my vote in already...Reppo accross the board... |
That's two of us, then.
Cheers. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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When I was a child, I thought as a child. Now, as a man, I think as a man. You, when a child, thought as a child. You still think as a child. To wit:
In early childhood an object placed out of sight is forgotten. It essentially ceases to exist in the child's world view. This is how you think. The massive violations of voters' rights happened two years ago, so they no longer exist. (Even though there are reports already of machines hi-lighting republican candidates after Democrats are selected. But, well, since YOU didn't see it with YOUR two eyes, this hasn't actually happened.) This is beyond partisanship, this is sheer stupidity.
I have posted twice on this thread. One was a factual look at efforts by Republicans to suppress the vote, stated in their own words. The other is an analysis of the current polling trends that indicate only by fraud would the Republicans hold the House, and possibly the Senate.
The third article, not posted by me, is a factual listing of votes not counted, including noting that the votes have been left uncounted most significantly in areas likely to result in a majority of votes for Democrats.
The only frothing and desperate remarks are your's. They are misleading. They are childish. Again, you join a thread only with insults. It is time the mods did, indeed, give you a rest as you repeatedly join threads only to flame and troll.
You can't be taken seriously. You're a Republican shill, and always were. It was obvious. I called it looong ago. You finally admitted it. You were, and are, irrelevant. Any partisan hack is. You seek not the best for America, but only for yourself and your party.
You are irrelevant.
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| Out of frustration, you ball up your fists, assume your perch in a pathetic, drunken PC Bang on the other side of the planet |
What a sad little man. Mods, why do you allow this slander time after time? |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, I sent my vote in already...Reppo accross the board... |
That's two of us, then.
Cheers. |
Correction: that's one of you. How many socks you going to wear? |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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What a sad little man. Mods, why do you allow this slander time after time? |
That's it, everytime I see someone whine to the mods (and it is most definitely not just EFLtrainer doing this), I am going to post this, it's so childish, though that word still doesn't get my feeling across. This forum is a joke.
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Meegook
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Already denouncing the election which has not even occurred yet and, moreover, is, per recent polling data, expected to bring the Democrats into a commanding position in the legislature. Fascinating and insightful into your worldview. |
Fact: 2000 Bush appointed president in State where the gov was brother Jeb and the extreme court justices were appointed by daddy and republcian uncle Reagan.
Fact: 2004 Ballot box fraud in Ohio. Kerry concedes early with not so much as a whimper, aka blackmail. Diebold owned by mostly republican shareholders.
Extrapolation: 2006 More of the same
"Recent polling data." LOL
Exit polls 2004 showed Kerry the winner. Polls don't mean squat with these guys. Vote counting machines do.
Repubs 3 Dems 0
That's my worldview. And my worldview tells me Republicans are going to win this election too everywhere Diebold machines count the votes. |
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spliff
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Ahhh...see above picture.....
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Moonbattrainer wrote:
Correction: that's one of you. How many socks you going to wear? |
What uni did you grad from...  |
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EFLtrainer
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Overall current status
Judging by this data, and with the House a virtual lock (pseudo-prediction, but more just observation of widespread reporting and anlysis/predictions), the places to watch most closely FOR VOTER FRAUD are the close Senate races. Having already lost the House, the GOP should focus their efforts on the Senate to avoid total loss of control. Missouri, Virginia and Montana, with Ohio, Maryland and N.J. tossed in, seem to be the key points in this election at this point.
Arizona and Tennessee for Dem fraud. |
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EFLtrainer
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twg
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| certainly not people's votes that matter in this election. |
Wouldn't that be everyone who can vote then? Being an alleged democracy and everything?
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| on an obscure internet forum mostly made up of hogwon employees.... |
Are you saying they're not allowed to vote?
You seem unfriendly to the democratic process. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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What a sad little man. Mods, why do you allow this slander time after time? |
That's it, everytime I see someone whine to the mods (and it is most definitely not just EFLtrainer doing this), I am going to post this, it's so childish, though that word still doesn't get my feeling across. This forum is a joke.
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I think calling someone a drunk, repeatedly, is a bit extreme, don't you? And it is most definitely defamation. However, my actual reason for posting that is that Nambu has been on a bit of a crusade of late as to propriety, so if he's going to enforce it, Gopher's post most definitely should be excised. It not only breaks the rules of the forum, it is illegal. |
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