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krisinkorea



Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Location: Not too far from Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Blatant Korean racism Reply with quote

Went to a bar with my coworker last night and was told we could not enter or go in because it was a "Korean only" bar. So of course I called the Korean ***hole racist because I drank a bottle of vodka by then, haha. Also, told Korean guy that if he should come to Canada I'll tell everyone not to let the ugly Korean in. Has this happened to other people?? I just can't believe it's so acceptable to do that.

In Canada, I could sue that bar. Korean only!!! Yeah, I'm sure they get soooo many blacks, latinos, and europeans trying to come in their bar.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris,

You were not discriminated against because of your race, but because you are an idiot.

Cheers,
CM
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a bar in Hongdae that has a big sign saying:
"FOREIGNERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER HERE.
THANK YOU.
BAR MADE"
(the name of the bar is "Bar Made")
I even got a picture of the sign, but I don't know how to post it.

So I went in anyway of course, and the waitress came over and told us we had to go.

I remember a few months ago someone posted about a bar that wouldn't allow Nigerians in- I wonder if this thread will arouse the same level of indignation?
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least Koreans are up front about it. Back home if they don't want you in the club, for whatever reason, they always call you on the shoes. No sneakers, no boots, no slip ons, no dress shoes. It's BS, and just an excuse to bar you. Usually its weeding out trouble makers, or undesirables (people who don't fit the club demographic).

I think there are some Korean clubs that want a certain kind of atmosphere and clientele to match. There's a nightclub in my small town that has a no-whitey policy. It wasn't always the case. This club is pretty much exclusively young kids, post highschool and uni students. Older Koreans have been banned from the place as well.

Teachers from years past would go and try and pick up which, on occasion, ended up in pushing matches with the guys. In one incident there was a punch up, and surprise, surprise since then it's Koreans Only.
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markhan



Joined: 02 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how I will feel if that happens to me in the US. Yeah, i guess i will be royally be pissed off and sue their a** off.
But in Korea, as much I understand your anger, I also understand Korean's standpoint.
Once i had to meet someone in this chic cafe in Seoul and nonchalantly went inside and ordered coffee. I then went to bathroom and came back and saw cafe notice that really shocked me. The notice simply stated, "No one over 35 years old is allowed in this cafe"
Can you imagained this crap happening in the US? Of course not!

However, Koreans tend to put "Ambiance" as one of the most critical factor in choosing cafe, restaurant, club, etc. I mean, you are not going to see "Ajussi and Ajumma" in some Hongdae club. And if they do, I gurantee you that that hongdae club will be soon out of business.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Blatant Korean racism Reply with quote

krisinkorea wrote:
Also, told Korean guy that if he should come to Canada I'll tell everyone not to let the ugly Korean in.


I'm sure that made a big impression on him.
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a sad aspect of living in Korea. Sometimes, foreigners are not welcome. I've been turned away from restaurants in Busan but I just found someplace else. Never had any trouble in Daegu, Gwanju, Bup-Yong etc.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Blatant Korean racism Reply with quote

krisinkorea wrote:
Went to a bar with my coworker last night and was told we could not enter or go in because it was a "Korean only" bar. So of course I called the Korean ***hole racist because I drank a bottle of vodka by then, haha.


THat might not have really been a standard policy, just an excuse to keep you out because you were already drunk and belligerent. I've seen it happen before, some bar owners and staff really think that an impromptu "no foreigners" policy is somehow a more polite way of getting rid of a drunken foreigner than just saying "You've already had too much to drink, go home and sleep it off, buddy."

Sounds crazy, but I've seen it happen.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flotsam wrote:
And really, it's not. I lived in Korea for 9 years, never happened. I would like to hear if any of the people who have lived in Korea at length and can speak the language ever had this problem. Somehow I feel the Mith's and gaj's and JognoGuru's and Tibby's and Qinella's of the world have not experienced this problem to any degree. I never did.
Son Deureo! wrote:
Sounds crazy, but I've seen it happen.


Considering the quality of the average waygook on the street, it sounds rather sensible. I doubt you have had any trouble of this sort, have you?



I've been here for five years I've been turned away from three places because it was for "Koreans only".

Once was the sauna at the Hamilton Hotel. Admittedly, we were very drunk and loud, and I have been back there since with no problems.

Another was a nightclub in Shinchon. They said (in English) "Foreigner NO!" After calmly talking to the doormen (in Korean) it turned out that they were hesitant to let foreigners in because they usually just wanted to drink draft beer and go. They were willing to let us in if we were willing to order and expensive drink set of some kind upfront (typical of a lot of K-style nightclubs). So they were making some assumptions, but didn't really have a problem with foreigners there, they just wanted to make sure they spent cash like anyone else.

The last was a nightclub on Geojedo, and we tried to talk the doormen into letting us in, we were willing to spend money, but when they said Koreans only they meant it.

Oh, and at a K-style booking club in Incheon (Arabian Nights) they had no problem with letting us in and taking our money, and even letting one of the guys in our group win a bottle of whiskey in their "sexy dancing" competition, but booking for foreigners was out of the question.

Real discrimination does exist here, but sometimes when they say "no foreigners" they're really just saying it because they don't want YOU in there for whatever reason, and it's easier for them to say that than try to explain their real reasons.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Son Deureo! is saying exactly what I thought about when reading the OP -- the just didn't want your stupid drunk monkey ass up in there annoying the hell out of everyone.

I personally don't have a problem with places that have no foreigner policies. It's called free market capitalism. It's an ideal I was raised to espouse. Sissies who want to run to the government crying for vengeance because a club won't let them in are commies and should be forced to move to the Shitipinos.

Club doesn't want me? I don't want it! It's that simple. And yes it happened once, in Daejeon, when I was wandering around alone and dressed like a scrub. Couldn't imagine why they turned me down!

I remember a time or two in the US, trying to score a bag off some black dudes in the ghetto and got rejected a few times for being white. Why, I tell you, I ran straight to the police to report the racial discrimination! Evil or Very Mad
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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deuro! saliently wrote:
Real discrimination does exist here, but sometimes when they say "no foreigners" they're really just saying it because they don't want YOU in there for whatever reason, and it's easier for them to say that than try to explain their real reasons.


Qinella, adding to the sanity, wrote:
I remember a time or two in the US, trying to score a bag off some black dudes in the ghetto and got rejected a few times for being white. Why, I tell you, I ran straight to the police to report the racial discrimination!
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flotsam wrote:
Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote:
It's a sad aspect of living in Korea. Sometimes, foreigners are not welcome. I've been turned away from restaurants in Busan but I just found someplace else. Never had any trouble in Daegu, Gwanju, Bup-Yong etc.


Where's Gwanju?

And really, it's not. I lived in Korea for 9 years, never happened. I would like to hear if any of the people who have lived in Korea at length and can speak the language ever had this problem. Somehow I feel the Mith's and gaj's and JognoGuru's and Tibby's and Qinella's of the world have not experienced this problem to any degree.


I can say that I have been here for a while, do speak passable hangul and have occasionally been refused entry because I am a foreigner.

Specifically I can list the "Canadian Club" in Hongdae among the few I have been denied entry to AND I do not get piss drunk so that was NOT as issue.
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the late 80's there was a big issue between Japan and other countries when saunas began putting up "No Foreigner" signs. Japan made it illegal thereafter, I understand, to do this. The owners of nice saunas just got better at keeping foreigners out by requiring membership, which was damn near impossible for a foreigner to get (like, you have to have a Japanese name to be a member; or, something like that). The signs are supposedly gone, but the xenophobic restrictions remain.

It doesn't bother me that much when I see those signs in Hongdae area. I can almost understand.

What does bother is a kind of backhanded approach some restaurant owners employ: When foreigners eat there, they give them small portions, bad service, etc. . . so they won't come again. I know a Korean guy whose mother does it at her galbi / shabu shabu place. He says that its a fact as far is his mother is concerned that if a group of foreigners come in, Koreans walking by are less likely to decide to come in when there are other similar restaurants nearby without foreigners in it. He tries to tell me "It's just business. My mother loves the foreign teachers and the foreigners who come to her church." I just roll my eyes somehwere in my mind where he can't see.

In Thailand, there are complete streets designated as "Japanese Only" club areas, and miscellaneous restaurants and other places around Thailand that cater only to Japanese tourists and will let you know this if you try to enter or use their service.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
flotsam wrote:
Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote:
It's a sad aspect of living in Korea. Sometimes, foreigners are not welcome. I've been turned away from restaurants in Busan but I just found someplace else. Never had any trouble in Daegu, Gwanju, Bup-Yong etc.


Where's Gwanju?

And really, it's not. I lived in Korea for 9 years, never happened. I would like to hear if any of the people who have lived in Korea at length and can speak the language ever had this problem. Somehow I feel the Mith's and gaj's and JognoGuru's and Tibby's and Qinella's of the world have not experienced this problem to any degree.


I can say that I have been here for a while, do speak passable hangul and have occasionally been refused entry because I am a foreigner.

Specifically I can list the "Canadian Club" in Hongdae among the few I have been denied entry to AND I do not get piss drunk so that was NOT as issue.


I'm gonna report you to Spinoza for saying you can speak Hangul.

CharlieDD wrote:
He tries to tell me "It's just business. My mother loves the foreign teachers and the foreigners who come to her church." I just roll my eyes somehwere in my mind where he can't see.


This reminds me of something my grandparents told me. I was talking about how racist they are, and they denied it by saying they talk to some nice colored folks at church, and sometimes even 'hug their necks'. I asked how often they invite the colored folks over for dinner and both my gram and gramps immediately set in with hardy, knowing laughs. 'We said we like them, and love them in Jesus, but we're not gonna let any colored folks in our house!' Laughing
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flotsam wrote:
Somehow I feel the Mith's and gaj's and JognoGuru's and Tibby's and Qinella's of the world have not experienced this problem to any degree.

Hey, Frotsam! Yeah, I've had a few "foreigner-unfriendly" experiences in Korea, all of them similar or identical to the ones Son Deuro has already mentioned. But for two exceptional cases that still rankle me years on, I think it's always been at night, always at places serving booze AND babes (whether hostesses or the vast and rising multitude of loose Korean hotties) and only when I'm either one lone foreigner or with an exclusively foreign group. Never a problem when I'm with a Korean friend.

So yes, Flotsam, it does exist and it can be damned irksome. Especially when they're rude and condescending about it. But remember mine are a small handful of bad experiences over many, many years here in Korea. Considering all the places that I've managed to slither into, including plenty of places where I got distinctly unfriendly vibes from Korean male customers, the few times I've been told "No foreigners allowed" don't constitute even 1% of the total. While I'm sure the percentage would be much higher if I were in the habit of cruising, say, booking clubs with a 100% big-nose crew, the fact is that doesn't hold a great deal of appeal, neither the group nor the establishment.
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