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Adventurer
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 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: China to double its aid to Africa |
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China to double its aid to Africa
China has pledged to double its aid to Africa and provide $5bn in loans and credits over the next three years.
Chinese President Hu Jintao made the announcement as he opened a summit in Beijing attended by nearly 50 African heads of state and ministers.
The summit is focusing on business with more than 2,000 deals under discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6115870.stm |
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dulouz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| China could really use tens of thousands of African migrants. There are many of thsoe in places like Lampedusa that are looking for a job, any job. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: |
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kind of pathetic to see Big ol' china rounding up all the Afs to tell them "we'll" give you dosh if you give us your resources.
All those corrupt leaders seeing yuan signs to enrich themselves even further. A gathering of gangsters looking for new ways to sell their sorry ass countries down the river.
oh well I hope there is some benefit for ordinary Africans out of this. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| I'm waiting for the string of posts denouncing China's support of dictatorships and human rights violators. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Doubled its aid from what... nothing? Does someone have numbers for what other countries give to put this in perspective...
Ken:> |
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Octavius Hite
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Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| What I loved was the moral outrage and indignation on the part of Europe. How dare someone help Africa?????? Didn't the Chinese hear, Africa belongs to Europe. Absolutly disgusting. Good for China and good luck to Africa, it can't get any worse. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
Doubled its aid from what... nothing? Does someone have numbers for what other countries give to put this in perspective...
Ken:> |
Official Development Assistance
Meanwhile, China is one of the largest recipients of official development assistance. So basically, other countries are funding China's generousity. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
kind of pathetic to see Big ol' china rounding up all the Afs to tell them "we'll" give you dosh if you give us your resources.
All those corrupt leaders seeing yuan signs to enrich themselves even further. A gathering of gangsters looking for new ways to sell their sorry ass countries down the river.
oh well I hope there is some benefit for ordinary Africans out of this. |
one of the few times I agree with you. This will not help Africa's development. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
kind of pathetic to see Big ol' china rounding up all the Afs to tell them "we'll" give you dosh if you give us your resources.
All those corrupt leaders seeing yuan signs to enrich themselves even further. A gathering of gangsters looking for new ways to sell their sorry ass countries down the river.
oh well I hope there is some benefit for ordinary Africans out of this. |
one of the few times I agree with you. This will not help Africa's development. |
I'm not sure about that. Pretty much the only nations that people are really concerned about are Zimbabwe and Sudan, but I suspect the other almost 50 nations will put it to much better use. Here are some of the other ways there should be aid:
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Hu also pledged China would:
-- train 15,000 African professionals, send 100 senior agricultural experts to Africa, and set up 10 agricultural technology centres in Africa over the next three years.
-- build 30 hospitals and provide 300 million yuan in grants to help fight malaria.
-- dispatch 300 volunteers, build 100 rural schools, and increase the number of Chinese government scholarships to African students from 2,000 per year now to 4,000 per year by 2009.
-- increase to more than 440 from 190 the number of items which will not be taxed when imported to China from Africa. He did not provide details. |
I'm not certain of course, but I think a lot of places could really benefit from the extra attention. I'd like to see Clinton's view on the aid though. He's a bit too busy right now to talk about it though I'm sure. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| How dare someone [else] help Africa? Didn't the Chinese hear, Africa belongs to Europe... |
Nailed it. Nicely said.
Last edited by Gopher on Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| In their quest to secure primary resources for China they're not going to help Africa much if they ignore the culture of corruption and human rights abuses many of those countries so badly need to get away from. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| ...they're not going to help Africa much if they ignore the culture of corruption and human rights abuses many of those countries so badly need to get away from. |
But not even China and the United States together could change or alter these local conditions, though -- not one iota. Not in Africa. And not anywhere else where these govts operate.
Did you know, by the way, that both the Soviets and the Chinese pressued Ho Chi Minh hard through the late 1950s to accept a U.S.-dominated South Vietnam in exchange for recognizing a Communist-friendly North? But Ho had his own problems and his own objectives -- not to mention that not even he had much influence over the insurgents' activities.
Ditto for Stalin and the Greek Communists after the war; and ditto for Washington and the Dominican dissidents who assassinated Trujillo after Kennedy himself told them he wanted them to stop their activities.
All govts, then, who operated or operate in the Third-World -- the British, the French, the Americans, the Soviets, the Chinese (and the latter, for quite a while now) -- faced or face policy decisions that usually went or go something like this: they can support or not support preexisting currents. But they cannot create or alter these currents very much, which have always been dominated by powerful, locally-derived and locally-explained eddies and undercurrents that they can hardly even see let alone understand or dare hope to influence or control...
And, Mithridates, what China is doing is working to establish ties and dependency relationships (for education, techinical training, advice, spare parts, etc., the usual routine). It is hardly purely or even mostly altruistic. Beijing is moving to construct a sphere of influence in Africa. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| In their quest to secure primary resources for China they're not going to help Africa much if they ignore the culture of corruption and human rights abuses many of those countries so badly need to get away from. |
You are talking about China  Not exactly the world leader in human rights abuses or corruption... But, while the world could really help Africa out if it wanted to, it's just not important enough yet in world affairs. Africa is most definitely not a quick fix or cheap problem. I doubt China wants to tackle trying to bring some of those countries to even an acceptable level of living standards, but just wants to extend their sphere of influence a bit. China is having enough trouble with that at home. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Guys, you are missing the important aspect of this story. Unlike Europe and to a lesser degree America, China is approaching Africa as a partner and an equal. They are trying to get the resources they need by dealing with Africa in a fair manner. Now, are there problems? Of course there are, but we can all agree that China is better off undemocratic and rich than the other way around. The same goes for Africa, until they stop the grinding poverty, there is no hope for good governance or human rights. And again I point out the hypocrisy on the part of Europe, give me a break. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| ...China is approaching Africa as a partner and an equal. |
As a Realist, I find this very hard to believe. (I would not place any European colonizer, the United States, Russia, Cuba, or China above or below each other on a scale of high moral purpose -- methods, entirely different story -- in Africa: they are all the same: just trying to influence the continent/region so that, inasmuch as possible, things would go their way.) Still, I will not reject what you say here offhand.
How can you be so sure about Beijing's motives in Africa? Help me to see it as you are seeing it. Walk me through how you got here. |
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