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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: just another Palestinian mother killed by her own father~ |
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Flirting was a costly mistake for Samera. She was only 15 years old when her neighbours in Salfeet, a small Palestinian town on the West Bank, saw her chatting with a young man without a male chaperone. Her family's honour was at stake; a marriage was quickly arranged. By 16, she had a child. Five years later, when she could stand the bogus marriage no longer, she bolted. In a place where gossip is traded like hard currency, and a girl's chastity is as public as her name, Samera's actions were considered akin to making a date with the devil. According to the gossips, she went from man to man as she moved from place to place. Finally, last July [1999], her family caught up with her. A few days later she was found stuffed down a well. Her neck had been broken. Her father told the coroner she'd committed suicide. But everyone on the grapevine knew that Samera was a victim of honour killing, murdered by her own family because her actions brought dishonour to their name. ... Here in the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority law allows honour killing. Samera's parents are walking the streets of their neighbourhood with their heads held high, relieved that the family honour has been restored. (Armstrong, "Honour's Victims", Chatelaine, March 2000.)
www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html
Murder by family
The murder of females in the Middle East is an ancient tradition. Prior to the arrival of Islam in AD 622, Arabs buried infant daughters to avoid the possibility that they would later bring shame to the family. This practice continued through the centuries.
Several thousand women a year are victims of honor killings. Numerous murders are ruled an accident, suicide, or family dispute, if they're reported at all. Police and government officials are often bribed to ignore crimes and hinder investigations. A woman beaten, burned, strangled, shot, or stabbed to death is often ruled a suicide, even when there are multiple wounds.
Many women are killed and buried in unmarked graves; their very existence is removed from community and clan records. The fact that so many murders go unreported is indicative of the status of women and the role of culture in fundamentalist Islamic countries.
www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/may/clpub.asp |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I feel sad to say this Junior, and I actually hope I am wrong - but I think the vile mistreatment some Palestinian women receive from their menfolk gives you some perverse satisfaction.  |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel sad to say this Junior, and I actually hope I am wrong - but I think the vile mistreatment some Palestinian women receive from their menfolk gives you some perverse satisfaction |
Is that the sort of BS last card you play when you have so completely lost a debate? You are an idiot. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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muslims are scared of sex and act violently towards women so as not to feel threatened.
I just love when non-muzzies say that muslims are interpreting the koran wrong (and use any random source available -- other than the actions of muslims themselves --)whenever the muslims do something that blows apart the mulitcult delusion of only white Christians having free will.
islam is a perverted, backwards way of looking at our world. It has no place in Western nations --aside from a warning label, like those on smokes-- and its expansion must be made illegal unless we want them to bring their garbage to us. If you are automatically offended by this, you need to educate yourself about islam and islamic history. There is absolutely no other way to describe islam other than Barbaric.
Unfortunately, it will take the establishment of sharia in France for dumbass Western brainwashed multicult fools to gather the ability to gather the balls and defend our civilization. I'm ok with that. If you disagree with me today, you most certainly will not by 2020. I promise. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| I feel sad to say this Junior, and I actually hope I am wrong - but I think the vile mistreatment some Palestinian women receive from their menfolk gives you some perverse satisfaction |
Is that the sort of BS last card you play when you have so completely lost a debate? You are an idiot. |
I have continued to debate you on the other thread...but you haven't yet replied.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=70020&start=15
Big_Bird (on the thread about women being shot by the IDF)
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Non western societies have a long way to go as far as women's rights are concerned. However, I don't see that societies that haven't yet embraced feminism should be subject to a cruel occupation, which can surely only bring further suffering on the women and children of the populace. If life for the women in Gaza is so horrible (and it is) why do you enjoy it being made more horrible, by having them endure a horrific seige - where many of these poor women are injured, killed or forced to deal with seeing their own children maimed or killed? Do you really care about the women there?
What about the regular reports of young Israeli male soldiers refusing to allow desperate women in labour through the checkpoints to give birth in a hospital? Women have died, or suffered horrific complications, or have seen their child die. Have you ever carried a child in your womb Junior? It is no small deal. 9 months of sacrifice and discomfort, just to see the small life you have nurtured in you die unnecessarily. The terrible pain and trauma a women would be left to deal with for the rest of her life is unimaginable to someone who has never experienced it.
Also, I believe you are quite naive about how easy it is to report abuse and get protection from perpetrators in the West. In theory it is all hunky dory, in practice it is a nightmare. And as a society we still haven't faced up to it. For example western governments refuse to provide the funding for support and women's shelters that is necessary for every frightened abused women to escape from her abuser. Desperate women (and sometimes children) are being killed in the west every day by their violent partners/fathers. Also, police are very limited in what they can do to protect a women from a determined man, and all too often they don't take the situation seriously, often resulting in truly tragic consequences.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Liz Kelly wrote: |
You reported prominently in your news pages the sacking and reprimanding of Derbyshire police officers after the IPCC found they failed "abysmally" in not protecting Tania Moore, who was repeatedly threatened before being murdered by her ex-partner (Officer sacked over showjumper's death, November 2). And you reported on the jailing of a man in Stafford for the murder of his former girlfriend and three members of her family, a man who had been released from prison early after murdering a previous partner (Loner gets 35 years). The following day you reported on the jailing for life of Gavin Hall who murdered his three-year-old daughter to punish his wife who was having an affair.
It is chilling, day after day, to not only be reminded of the appalling levels of violence against women in Britain, but also of the continued failure to mainstream the most basic lessons. The British Crime Survey has found that almost one in two women in Britain will experience domestic violence, sexual assault or stalking during their lifetime, and that domestic violence costs the state and employers almost �6bn annually.
Where is the coherent government strategy to end violence against women in Britain? We need an integrated approach, joining-up key government departments, that will deliver appropriate management of perpetrators, end the postcode lottery of support, and which dares to set a goal of preventing violence against women happening in the first place. Without a strong message, political will and commitment from government, we can expect this daily diet of horror stories to continue.
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Professor Liz Kelly
Chair, End Violence Against Women Coalition
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,1941918,00.html
As you see, we are not doing that well in the UK either. Perhaps we therefore deserve to have our country plundered by a foreign power, our young men rounded up and our children used as target practice. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Is it at all possible, bb, to criticize BOTH 'them' and 'us'? Or, does the existence of a problem with 'us', even if it exists to a significantly lesser degree than the same problem does 'them' render 'us' unqualified to speak about and criticize 'them'?
In other words, why do you always apologize for muslim crime? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Is it at all possible, bb, to criticize BOTH 'them' and 'us'? Or, does the existence of a problem with 'us', even if it exists to a significantly lesser degree than the same problem does 'them' render 'us' unqualified to speak about and criticize 'them'?
In other words, why do you always apologize for muslim crime? |
I don't apologize for muslim men who bash and abuse their wives. I despise all wife beaters equally. They disgust me.
However, I despise those who use the fact that wife beaters exist within a given populace, to justify a horrible occupation. In fact, Juniors logic amazes me. If it were just the wife beaters who were punished by the occupation - I'd be all for it!!! "Bring it on" I'd say! But its the wives, the children and the kind men who treat their wives and daughters with respect who also suffer along with them. The IDF snipers don't just target violent abusers of women you know! |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| the kind men who treat their wives and daughters with respect who also suffer along with them. |
What respectful kind men??? Palestine is made up of muslims, and an extremely high rate of violence against women, which is condoned by an Islamic belief system. I have nothing against people, but until they give up their inbuilt malfunction program ... they are more trouble than they're worth, to the rest of humanity. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| the kind men who treat their wives and daughters with respect who also suffer along with them. |
What respectful kind men??? Palestine is made up of muslims, and an extremely high rate of violence against women, which is condoned by an Islamic belief system. I have nothing against people, but until they give up their inbuilt malfunction program ... they are more trouble than they're worth, to the rest of humanity. |
Sigh...
Junior, as amazing as it may seem to you, there are actually some very lovely muslim men in the world too. Muslim men come in all shapes and forms, with many different political perspectives and interpretations of Islam. Some of them are absolute c***suckers, and some of them are very gentle kind and thoughtful people. Just like men of any other group.
I know some very kind muslim gentlemen, and over the years I have been on the recieving end of kindness from some of them. I know women married to these men, who clearly love their husbands very much, and daughters of these men who adore their fathers. Some men want to hold their daughters back, because of their backward beliefs, and other fathers want the very best for their female children, including the best education, a good career, and a kind and loving son-in-law. Muslims are not some homogenous mass. I can't believe I am giving you this little pep talk, here in the 21st century... |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| I feel sad to say this Junior, and I actually hope I am wrong - but I think the vile mistreatment some Palestinian women receive from their menfolk gives you some perverse satisfaction |
Is that the sort of BS last card you play when you have so completely lost a debate? You are an idiot. |
He is right, you have demonstrated that you are quite bigoted. After all, one only has to look at your post after this where you state incredulously that Muslim men are not known to be kind and disrespectful, and they are simply mostly vile men, and they need to see the light and shed their religion to become civilized. Don't forget the U.S. had a president named Woodrow Wilson who was a member of the Klu Klux Klun, Jim Crow ended in the 1950s, and not every place in the world is on the same stage as the U.S. in 2006. It was not long ago, that in some parts of the U.S. that a man might get off easy if he shot his spouse if he caught her sleeping with another man. It was called a crime of passion. If you were not fixated on showing Muslims as evil, you would not have posted this thread, and you would not have tried to make 1,500 cases of circumcision in Iraq out of a population of 25 million seem to be statistically common.
It shows you have no respect for statitics nor humanity. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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What respectful kind men??? Palestine is made up of muslims, and an extremely high rate of violence against women, which is condoned by an Islamic belief system. |
I thought you'd at least give SOME kind of smarmy remark as to WHY you didn't read my links which so clearly illustrate the point you are failing to grasp. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: |
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And the Knights of the Crusade believed they owned all the women in thier fief and had the God given right to sleep with a bride on wedding night.
Religions breed immorality.
We don't need to go into Papal rape.
All religions have thier sins.
Any Christian faith comes from the original church
so no Christian faith is without sin.
God Allah Yawhee Jehovah what ever you call him cares little for the established whoring we call religion.
The anti women code prevails through all religions it is disgusting.
This is a rant I have no point.
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