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[Adventurer]

Bishop attacks 'Muslim hypocrisy'

A senior Anglican bishop has accused many Muslims of being guilty of double standards in their view of the world.
The Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali, told the Sunday Times some had a "dual psychology" in which they sought "victimhood and domination".

The Muslim Council of Britain said the comments were "not very helpful".

The bishop, whose father converted from Islam, also said situations such as teaching could require Muslim women not to wear full-face veils.

Mr Nazir-Ali argued it would never be possible to satisfy all of the demands made by Muslims because "their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims... and always wrong when Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6117912.stm

[Let's have a sober debate on this one. I think there are interesting debates in Britain.]

[happeningthang]

The article's got some interesting ways of representing who the bishop is talking about...

[Adventurer]

[Ya-ta Boy]

I read this post earlier today and didn't want to respond because I didn't want to get into the problem of 'generalizing'. I guess I'm bored enough now.

It strikes me that this guy is doing what a lot of posters on here do in relation to South Korea's attitude toward American troops. 'They' see a demonstration calling for the ouster of troops and say, "OK". Then they see something that contradicts that idea. Without stopping to think that maybe 48 million people might have a variety of opinions, they start complaining that Koreans can't make up their minds.

What are the chances that 1 BILLION Moslems might have more than one attitude toward anything?

[Ilsanman]

Why is this the sole defense of Muslims? The only thing anyone can say is that not ALL are bad. Just a lot.

That's barely a defense.

[Pligganease]

[Adventurer]

One thing to consider in this calculus is that most Arab states are dictatorships and the liberals in their countries, if they chose to, for example, criticize Sudan's behaviour from a human rights stand point, they might be shut down. I will give you an example. Suppose a Syrian who is on the Left and a liberal and writes a strong, critical piece regarding the Sudan his government might, that is still authoritarian, might crack down on his criticism of another authoritarian state. So, we can say, encouraging more of a criticism from the Arab world regarding human rights abuses is difficult. However, Muslims in the West should weigh in on abuses. CAIR spoke out against the idea of executing a convert to Christianity in Afghanistan. Some others did. There needs to be more of this. Just as there are Jews who speak truth to power when it comes to the state of Israel and the Jewish community can be tough to deal with, more Muslims must have this courage.

[thepeel]

Any political position that is taken by a group of people for religious reasons is illegitimate and ought to be laughed at/feared/rejected and discredited.

muslims play on 'white guilt' very well. But, fortunately (for people like me who want nothing to do with their absurd mysticism and silly world view) the vast majority of Western nations are very much tired of islam and muslims and loosing all patience for their immature ranting and seething. They are finding that they command zero respect from the larger public and the victim card isn't working for them like it does other groups. Time for them to shut up and move back to Saudi or stop being muslims. We have a hard enough time as it is keeping the loony Xians in line, and they don't come standard with a bomb in their belt.

To preempt adventurer: Yes, I know that different muzzies believe different things and do not need a lecture about it. Find a different angle.