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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: "I get paid in full and on time" Reply with quote

Those of us who have been here a while, worked in hagwons, know this is not always the case.

But from a western standpoint, isn't this entirely insane, or ridiculous at least?

'Come work with us, we always pay you for your work.'

Man, of course you should, nay must, pay me for my work. It's just so crazy that we accept this is a good reason to work somewhere.

"Hey, one of the perks of this job is that they actually pay you for your work."

We need to give up the idea that this is a benefit or something. It's ridiculous. If you do not get paid on time and full, do not go to work!
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I wonder what the Koreans who write the ads (usually recruiters) saying that the school pays on time and will not rip you off think about having to do that? I would be deeply ashamed if I had to write that about my own country. This isn't an attack on Korea, a real question.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Sometimes I wonder what the Koreans who write the ads (usually recruiters) saying that the school pays on time and will not rip you off think about having to do that? I would be deeply ashamed if I had to write that about my own country. This isn't an attack on Korea, a real question.


Well since it's a real question I will answer it. Umm they are writing that about their SCHOOL, not their country. And hakwon owners are only a tiny, TINY percentage of Koreans.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have worked here for 5 years and have always been "paid in full and on time", without any hassles....

I did lose one severance however in a rather bitter departure from my last position but have never had any problem with salary...
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
Sometimes I wonder what the Koreans who write the ads (usually recruiters) saying that the school pays on time and will not rip you off think about having to do that? I would be deeply ashamed if I had to write that about my own country. This isn't an attack on Korea, a real question.


Well since it's a real question I will answer it. Umm they are writing that about their SCHOOL, not their country. And hakwon owners are only a tiny, TINY percentage of Koreans.


The fact that a MASSIVE number of ads in only one country (you don't see it for most other countries, though other countries are just as bad in practicality, for example China) for legitimate, legal, tax paying jobs have to say that they promise to pay you. You will not see ads that say that for other countries.

Korea is not the only country that rips people off, they do back home with nannies and other foreigners all the time. But show me another country that has to assure people they are reliable recruiters working for honest schools that will pay you and on time in any professional field. And while ESL isn't really super reputable, it's still employing professionals (people with degrees)
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Korean friend in the advertising industry. He said his clients rarely pay in full or on time.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
Sometimes I wonder what the Koreans who write the ads (usually recruiters) saying that the school pays on time and will not rip you off think about having to do that? I would be deeply ashamed if I had to write that about my own country. This isn't an attack on Korea, a real question.


Well since it's a real question I will answer it. Umm they are writing that about their SCHOOL, not their country. And hakwon owners are only a tiny, TINY percentage of Koreans.


Koreans are notorious for not paying on time or not at all.

The problem is not only in the Hakwon industry.

Have you ever hear or seen things that they do to foreign laborer especially from 3rd world countries. They are in constant battle with their bosses to get paid every month. And the K-government just look the other way.

All Koreans should be ashamed.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not a Korea only problem. It happens all over the world, including North America. It happens to businesses, schools and governments. Try being the accountant who has to choose who gets paid and who doesn't and who has to go around and explain that there is no money for payroll this week and could you please wait a few days. (The accountant has to do it because the boss can't face up to the problem.) These bad bosses who won't take responsibility, make bad management decisions, and dump on the workers, are everywhere. It does seem worse in Korea, but it is not unique to Korea.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. That may be so.

I think it is terrible, however, that so many employers will criticize their foreign workers for any problems or misdeeds, yet fail to live up to their contracts.

"You will be paid on the __th of each month" --- standard in every contract.

You do your job as well as you know, you get paid, very simple. If the boss is not pleased, you can move on. No excuses about lack of cash to pay workers. That's nonsense. You should not run a business if you cannot pay your employees.

Maybe Koreans accept this as normal, but us weird foreigners expect that "promise" to mean something.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
[. But show me another country that has to assure people they are reliable recruiters working for honest schools that will pay you and on time in any professional field. )



Korea assures people they are reliable recruiters working for honest schools? The COUNTRY does?
No you have a group of headhunters who are aware that some hakwon owners are less than scruplous. It's the same in any developing country, but since Korea is far more wired we hear about it far more. Compare the posts for the Korea forums with most others and you will see.

Once again the COUNTRY is not assuring anything. A group (which represents a VERY tiny portion of 1% of the population) is.

Now if you had expanded your post beyond schools and into the general workplace you might have had a point. But as Mr. ontheway pointed out, Korea is FAR from being the only country that does that.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
Sometimes I wonder what the Koreans who write the ads (usually recruiters) saying that the school pays on time and will not rip you off think about having to do that? I would be deeply ashamed if I had to write that about my own country. This isn't an attack on Korea, a real question.


Well since it's a real question I will answer it. Umm they are writing that about their SCHOOL, not their country. And hakwon owners are only a tiny, TINY percentage of Koreans.


Koreans are notorious for not paying on time or not at all.

The problem is not only in the Hakwon industry.

Have you ever hear or seen things that they do to foreign laborer especially from 3rd world countries. They are in constant battle with their bosses to get paid every month. And the K-government just look the other way.

All Koreans should be ashamed.


I would think most foreign labourers get paid on time. Otherwise they wouldn't be coming here. Why work when you don't get paid?

It happens in your country too especially when a business goes bankrupt (Enron, World Com...) All people from your country and you should be ashamed.... Rolling Eyes
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have even been paid late by the public school I work for, so hagwons are not alone when it comes to this. The excuse I was given was that "sometimes they are busy".
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wire



Joined: 01 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edited.

Last edited by wire on Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:08 am; edited 1 time in total
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been paid late by a public school (once). Their excuse was that the person in charge of my pay was absent that week.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to show you that foreigners aren't the only ones screwed around...

In jinju last week a bus driver killed himself after not being paid for 6 months(along with all the other bus drivers in the company) and basically the company has said we have no money so too bad...

So if you are living in jinju and are wondering why there was not so many buses last week(and maybe this week) than this would explain why...

I can't link an english article as there isn't one
If you can read Korean search 신일교통 and 진주 there are heaps of Korean articles
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