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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: Iraq war is over! |
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Nov. 3, 2006 � An ABC News undercover investigation showed Army recruiters telling students that the war in Iraq was over, in an effort to get them to enlist.
ABC News and New York affiliate WABC equipped students with hidden video cameras before they visited 10 Army recruitment offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.
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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2626032&page=1 |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| So recruiters agree with Kerry then? |
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Hollywoodaction
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| One I heard that many people were deceived about not having to face combat, even though that is naive on their part, then I can understand the fellow who left the U.S. for Canada. He was given the impression he wasn't going to face combat, and he already did one duty and that was plenty enough for him. I think those in the South, who disproportionately serve in the military, since there is no draft should think twice about how they get manipulated by the elites. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer: do those recruiters look and sound like "elites" to you?
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Yet ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn't like the Army, you could just quit.
"It's called a 'Failure to Adapt' discharge," the recruiter said. "It's an entry-level discharge so it won't affect anything on your record. It'll just be like it never happened." |
And I cannot see how can people still fall for promises like that more than a quarter-of-a-century after Private Benjamin came out.
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| Judy Benjamin: I think they sent me to the wrong place...See, I did join the Army, but I joined a different Army. I joined the one with the condos and the private rooms. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Adventurer: do those recruiters look and sound like "elites" to you?
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Yet ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn't like the Army, you could just quit.
"It's called a 'Failure to Adapt' discharge," the recruiter said. "It's an entry-level discharge so it won't affect anything on your record. It'll just be like it never happened." |
And I cannot see how can people still fall for promises like that more than a quarter-of-a-century after Private Benjamin came out.
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| Judy Benjamin: I think they sent me to the wrong place...See, I did join the Army, but I joined a different Army. I joined the one with the condos and the private rooms. |
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Jack Nicholson is one of my favorite actors. You mentioned Private Benjamin. Most people probably haven't seen it who are 18 years old.
These days, a movie that is a few years old is consider rather old.
The recruiters are not elites, but the war is being fought by people mostly from rural areas while few people of means are fighting the war. They are not people of poverty, either. Most soldiers are not from poor families. They are from the middle class. Few people in Congress who supported the war would have their children enlist, and the president and vice president got out of serving in Vietnam, and it had to do with their privileged background. Meanwhile companies sent to Iraq have made billions at the expense of the middle class who have to pay for this war, and in some cases the soldiers and Iraqis were short-changed by these companies. The corruption is extreme. That is one reason the voters voted for the democrats. I felt sorry for Chafee in Rhode Island. I really liked his father as well. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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That's what I heard. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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If you are joining the military combat is very likely even in peacetime.
Should I repeat tha ta little louder.
Now as far as recruiters go these are not professional HR types.
The training they recieve is minimal, always has been.
Back in the days of the draft recruiting was easier.
Recruiting should be honest, but so shouldn't car sales.
Has anyone here ever been lied to by an ESL recruiter.
It's the same deal quotas, commisions - profit motive.
Selling can be done honestly sometimes it ain't.
So basically these problems are not military problems
they are problems with recruiting for any profession.
Could the probelm be solved by hiring civilians to recruit for the military?
I doubt it.
Could it be solved by eliminating recruiting?
Duh!
Could it be solved by re-instating the draft?
Scarey.
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Reinstating the draft would solve the problem, as long as there were no ways to wiggle out of it based on money and privileged connections. The all-volunteer force has turned out to be horrible idea. A draft would go some way toward redressing the situation we are faced with today, which is that it's not too far a stretch to call the U.S. armed services the military wing of the Republican Party. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| daskalos wrote: |
| Reinstating the draft would solve the problem, as long as there were no ways to wiggle out of it based on money and privileged connections. |
Great idea!
Canada needs a larger population. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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A draft would go some way toward redressing the situation we are faced with today, which is that it's not too far a stretch to call the U.S. armed services the military wing of the Republican Party.
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I agree with the first part of your sentence. I think many people who reluctantly gave Bush the benefit of the doubt back in '03 would not have made that choice if their kids were at risk of being sent to war (without volunteering).
I strongly disagree with the second part of your sentence. In fact, just the opposite. So far as I am aware, the military has faithfully served the elected administration, as it is intended to do. There have been a series of statements by retired generals who have criticized the military policies in Iraq. This is quite unusual. I think the military has done as much as they could to tell the public they are unhappy with the poor administrative leadership they have been getting. |
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