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Gopher
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 Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: Lieberman Concedes Losing Dem. Primary in Conn... |
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It's official: polarized Democrats seem to have made the war issue their litmus test, and they are on the verge of splitting into two separate camps...
And in other news, good news, I think, Georgia's Cynthia McKinney, who has called herself "[W.] Bush's worst nightmare," also lost in the primaries, perhaps suggesting, among other things, that Democrats are not interested in extremist politicians.
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Lieberman said he was disappointed by the results but said he was more disappointed in how the primary campaign was conducted.
"The old politics of partisan polarization won today. For the sake of our state, our country and my party, I cannot, I will not let this result stand."
Lieberman had for some time threatened to run as an independent in November if he failed to claim the party's nomination, further enraging party activists and many Web commentators, who have boosted Lamont.
A source close to Lieberman told CNN that Lieberman has the 7,500 signatures necessary to get on the ballot as an independent candidate... |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/08/democratic.primaries/index.html |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The other night Colbert called him "My favorite Republican." |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I just happened to be on Yahoo's home page and saw the news about Lieberman. I'm glad he lost, he's a conservative Democrat in a blue state who supported the war in Iraq.
However, it's not the end of the story. He said in his announcement he is going to run as an independant. That may cause a real split of the vote in November. it's possible that the winner of the general election could only get 30-40% of the vote. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| The other night Colbert called him "My favorite Republican." |
Well you know they have a term in politics RINO (Republican in name only). Maybe we should start talking about RINO's brother DINO (Democrat in name only). That's what Lieberman is. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| The other night Colbert called him "My favorite Republican." |
Well you know they have a term in politics RINO (Republican in name only). Maybe we should start talking about RINO's brother DINO (Democrat in name only). That's what Lieberman is. |
Rhinos and Dinos together would make government better. Most Americans have political views in the middle. They prefer Republicans on security but they prefer Democrats on other issues.
How about a McCain / Liberman ticket? Or Gulliani / Liberman ticket. that would be great. So would a McCain / Rice ticket.
Such a ticket would be the Daily Kos and Moveon's worst nightmare. They would have no where to go. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| The other night Colbert called him "My favorite Republican." |
Well you know they have a term in politics RINO (Republican in name only). Maybe we should start talking about RINO's brother DINO (Democrat in name only). That's what Lieberman is. |
Rhinos and Dinos together would make government better. Most Americans have political views in the middle. They prefer Republicans on security but they prefer Democrats on other issues.
How about a McCain / Liberman ticket? Or Gulliani / Liberman ticket. that would be great. So would a McCain / Rice ticket.
Such a ticket would be the Daily Kos and Moveon's worst nightmare. They would have no where to go. |
Nothing to do with the op, but you just reminded me of this clip:
http://falsiness.org/ |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| The other night Colbert called him "My favorite Republican." |
Well you know they have a term in politics RINO (Republican in name only). Maybe we should start talking about RINO's brother DINO (Democrat in name only). That's what Lieberman is. |
Rhinos and Dinos together would make government better. Most Americans have political views in the middle. They prefer Republicans on security but they prefer Democrats on other issues.
How about a McCain / Liberman ticket? Or Gulliani / Liberman ticket. that would be great. So would a McCain / Rice ticket.
Such a ticket would be the Daily Kos and Moveon's worst nightmare. They would have no where to go. |
Nothing to do with the op, but you just reminded me of this clip:
http://falsiness.org/ |
I saw the part about Rhinos and Dinos and went with it. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Maybe you should tell your neocon buddies the same thing. They are the ones who are out of touch with America.
Lieberman lost because of his anti-war neocon views. Unfortunately losing isn't enough as he plans to run as an independant. I only hope he gets trounced in the General Election as well.
Message to Lieberman: "It's time to retire!" |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| How about a McCain / Liberman ticket? Or Gulliani / Liberman ticket. that would be great. So would a McCain / Rice ticket. |
The Republican Party would never allow one of their members to run with a Democrat. We both know that.
Now the solution to that would be for Joe to go change his party affilation, that would solve everything. I mean he is in fact a Republican for all intensive purposes.
Essentially when he runs as an independant, he may in fact be required to change his political affilation depending on the state law. Hopefully the Democrats will to lock him out of their meetings for good.
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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By the way, the Republican Party is hellbent on getting their new message out, which is, "Lieberman's election loss means the end of the Democratic Party."
Lies lies lies! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Maybe you should tell your neocon buddies the same thing. They are the ones who are out of touch with America.
Lieberman lost because of his anti-war neocon views. Unfortunately losing isn't enough as he plans to run as an independant. I only hope he gets trounced in the General Election as well.
Message to Lieberman: "It's time to retire!" |
If you put move on and the Daily Kos against the Neo Cons well the Neo Cons will win.
especially if they communicate better than they have.
He will probably win the General Election |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| How about a McCain / Liberman ticket? Or Gulliani / Liberman ticket. that would be great. So would a McCain / Rice ticket. |
The Republican Party would never allow one of their members to run with a Democrat. We both know that.
Now the solution to that would be for Joe to go change his party affilation, that would solve everything. I mean he is in fact a Republican for all intensive purposes.
Essentially when he runs as an independant, he may in fact be required to change his political affilation depending on the state law. Hopefully the Democrats will to lock him out of their meetings for good. |
McCain and Gullani are not typical Republicans. They are both friends of Joe. They might very well go for it.
Joe's record is like 70% Liberal votes.
By the way Bill Clinton has defended Bush on the Iraq war -not that he would have done it - and Hillary Voted for it.
Al Gore talked lots about getting rid of Saddam when he was VP.
And well the Neo Cons all they need to do is to commuicate better like Neo Liberal Thomas Friedman does.
But all you need to know is that if McCain or Gullani get the nomination well you know there is not a Democrat out there who could beat either one of them straight up. I am sure you would not bet against them in a general election with your own money either.
The strongest Democrat out there would be Hillary Clinton but she voted for the war.
If the questions are asked correctly then well the Neo Cons and Neo Liberals together are more in touch with the US than are those with Move On and the Daily Kos. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| How about a McCain / Liberman ticket? Or Gulliani / Liberman ticket. that would be great. So would a McCain / Rice ticket. |
The Republican Party would never allow one of their members to run with a Democrat. We both know that.
Now the solution to that would be for Joe to go change his party affilation, that would solve everything. I mean he is in fact a Republican for all intensive purposes.
Essentially when he runs as an independant, he may in fact be required to change his political affilation depending on the state law. Hopefully the Democrats will to lock him out of their meetings for good. |
McCain and Gullani are not typical Republicans. They are both friends of Joe. They might very well go for it.
Joe's record is like 70% Liberal votes.
By the way Bill Clinton has defended Bush on the Iraq war -not that he would have done it - and Hillary Voted for it.
Al Gore talked lots about getting rid of Saddam when he was VP.
And well the Neo Cons all they need to do is to commuicate better like Neo Liberal Thomas Friedman does.
But all you need to know is that if McCain or Gullani get the nomination well you know there is not a Democrat out there who could beat either one of them straight up. I am sure you would not bet against them in a general election with your own money either.
The strongest Democrat out there would be Hillary Clinton but she voted for the war. |
There was a time when I would have considered voting for McCain, probably before the 2004 election. Since then, he's been getting really cozy with his right wing buddies trying to fund raise for his last chance at being president. He's moved too far right on most issues (except maybe some of the social issues) and he's too much of a liablity on the social issues. There's no way he'd be able to pander to both pro-choice and pro-life voters.
Gullani has been out of the limelight for five years now, although he still holds a lot of noteablity due to his leadership after 9/11. I read part of his book before I left for Korea (didn't finish it because I had to return it to the library). By the time the primary rolls around it will have been seven years almost seven years since 9/11. He hasn't held a public office in most of that time (I believe he left office in at the end of 01' or beginning of 02' but I can't remember for sure). The question for him will be, is that still relevent? Gullani also has skeletons in his closet as well as some health problems. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| There was a time when I would have considered voting for McCain, probably before the 2004 election. Since then, he's been getting really cozy with his right wing buddies trying to fund raise for his last chance at being president. He's moved too far right on most issues (except maybe some of the social issues) and he's too much of a liablity on the social issues. There's no way he'd be able to pander to both pro-choice and pro-life voters. |
Well McCain has been a backer of Bush's foreign policy - maybe even more hawkish. I agree he will have a tough time getting the nomination. Still he has as much chance as anyone.
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| Gullani has been out of the limelight for five years now, although he still holds a lot of noteablity due to his leadership after 9/11. I read part of his book before I left for Korea (didn't finish it because I had to return it to the library). By the time the primary rolls around it will have been seven years almost seven years since 9/11. He hasn't held a public office in most of that time (I believe he left office in at the end of 01' or beginning of 02' but I can't remember for sure). The question for him will be, is that still relevent? Gullani also has skeletons in his closet as well as some health problems. |
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I don't disagree with your analysis. STill I don't see any Democrat beating either one of them. The Democrats don't have a Bill Clinton. And even Bill Clinton would have lost in 1992 if Perot had not been running for president. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| 1/2 of 1/2 of the Democrats in Conn. voted against him. You are seeing a repeat of 1972. Lieberman is a safe bet in the general election. |
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